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#1 Noneofyourbusiness

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 09:56 AM

Here's my write-up:

1. "Aaron" is derived from "Aries." Aries is associated with the gift of God, which is speech, and Aaron Doral is a PR guy. So, Aaron Doral's model = Aries the Ram = Number One.

Aries. Symbol: The Ram. Key Phrases: I Am, I Do. Key Word: Activity.
Tribe: Gad. Disposition: Cardinal (creative). Element: Fire. Planet: Mars.
Archangel: Malahidiel. Virtue: Courage. Vice: Wrath.
Jungian Archetype: The Regular Guy.

3. "Simon" is derived from the tribe of "Simeon," one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Simeon is associated with Gemini. So, Simon's model = Gemini the Twins = Number Three.

Gemini. Symbol: The Twins. Key Phrases: I Think, I Communicate.
Key Word: Versatility. Tribe: Simeon. Disposition: Mutable (changeable). Element: Air. Planet: Mercury. Archangel: Ambriel. Virtue: Agility. Vice: Lies.
Jungian Archetype: The Caregiver.

5. "Leobon" is derived from "Leo." "Leobon Conroy" means "Leo the King." One of Leo's key phrases is "I Give" and Leobon had a "gift" for Kara. So, Leobon Conroy's model = Leo the Lion = Number Five.

Leo. Symbol: The Lion. Key Phrases: I Will, I Give.
Key Word: (Personal)Magnetism. Tribe: Judah.
Disposition: Fixed (determined). Element: Fire. Planet: The Sun.
Archangel: Verchiel. Virtue: Vigor. Vice: Gluttony.
Jungian Archetype: The Sage.

6. Number Six (Natasi, Shelly Godfrey, and Gina's model) = Virgo the Virgin, of course. "Gina" is short for "Virginia," which means "the maiden." "Godfrey" means "Peace of God," evoking an angel or Madonna. Natasi also claims to be the mother (virginal in a sense) of the hybrid baby. "Natasi" is a bit similar to the tribe of "Naphtali," which is associated with Virgo. One of Virgo's key phrases is "I Help" and Natasi "helps" Baltar frequently, in rather interesting ways.
Also, "Natasi" backwards makes "I, Satan" and Six, as a contraction of 666, is a number associated with Lucifer. Is Natasi a fallen angel?

Virgo. Symbol: The Virgin. Key Phrases: I Analyze, I Help.
Key Word: Practicality. Tribe: Naphtali. Disposition: Mutable (changeable). Element: Earth Planet: Mercury. Archangel: Hamaliel.
Virtue: Creation/Destruction. Vice: Power. Jungian Archetype: The Lover.

8. "D'anna" is derived from the tribe of "Dan," which is associated with Scorpio. “Dan” means “to judge or vindicate.” "Biers" is derived from the archangel "Barchiel," also associated with Scorpio. According to Lucy Lawless, under her veneer of sophistication D'anna is a vicious (stinging?) animal. According to another Lawless interview, D'anna has what can only be described as a fixed disposition, and we all know she tried to stir up the vice of paranoia in the Fleet (all of which fits Scorpio). So, D'anna Biers' model = Scorpio the Scorpion = Number Eight.

Scorpio. Symbol: The Scorpion. Key Phrases: I Desire, I Eliminate.
Key Word: Intensity. Tribe: Dan. Disposition: Fixed (determined).
Element: Water. Planet: Pluto. Archangel: Barchiel. Virtue: Versatility.
Vice: Paranoia. Jungian Archetype: The Jester.

10. "Sharon" means "fertile field" or "princess." “Fertile field” refers to Caprica Sharon’s pregnancy, and in Hebrew Capricorn is symbolized by the Kid (the baby goat.) “Princess” fits Caprica, the most prominent Colony. Caprica was also the home of Gaius Baltar, whom Caprica Sharon is the opposite of (the human gone over to the Cylon side, the Cylon gone over to the human side, and both have a connection to the hybrid baby). "Valerii" means "a warrior or rebel, valiant." Capricorn is associated with the tribe of Zebulun, which is connected with marriage. So, Sharon Valerii/Boomer’s model = Capricorn the Goat = Number Ten. Capricorn is also associated with the archangel Hanael, one of the rulers of the seven heavens and an angel connected with sexuality. Capricorn = goats = satyrs = Saturn, all of which are related to sexuality and procreation.
In relation to Galactica Sharon, “Sharon” is similar to “sharain”: in Arabic myth, a voice that tells one to do bad things (the devil on one’s shoulder often seen on TV) and “Valerii” is similar to “Valium” and "Valerian" sleeping aides. “Boomer” is a slang term for synthetic lifeforms in the anime series “Bubblegum Crisis.”

Capricorn. Symbol: The Goat. Key Phrases: I Use, I Organize.
Key Word: Ambition. Tribe: Zebulun. Disposition: Cardinal (creative).
Element: Earth. Planet: Saturn. Archangel: Hanael. Virtue: Wisdom. Vice: Fear. Jungian Archetype: The Innocent.

MY Own Personal Pet Theory: 9??? The Arrow of Apollo fits the statue of Sagittarius. Sagittarians are supposed to be idealistic and have a passion for justice, as is the associated archangel Advachiel. The Lagoon Nebula, which Lee Adama pointed out on the Star Map in the Tomb of Athena, is “in” Sagittarius in the modern era although at that time it was “in” Scorpio. Sagittarius is associated with the tribe of Benjamin. “Benjamin” means “son of my right hand.” Apollo is the son of Zeus/Jupiter. Leobon said that "Adama is a Cylon" but never specified which one. So, Lee Adama/Apollo may = Sagittarius the Archer = Number Nine.

Sagittarius. Symbol: The Archer. Key Phrases: I Understand, I Sacrifice.
Key Word: Visualization. Tribe: Benjamin. Disposition: Mutable. Element: Fire. Planet: Jupiter. Archangel: Advachiel. Virtue: Leadership. Vice: Lust.
Jungian Archetype: The Hero.
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Numbers Two, Four, and Twelve (women) and Seven, Nine, and Eleven (men) remain unrevealed.

For the Jungian Archetypes, my list presumes that none of the Cylons we have seen so far is The Ruler. If I had to guess, my gut instict would be Sharon. D'anna is a possibility

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:51 PM

Interesting stuff.

Check out this thread when you can, and maybe repost your points there or see what you think of the discussion going on there. At the very least this is the sort of detailed writing and background story I expect from a show with such high standards for detailed props, sets, scores, fx, and characters.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:11 PM

Well thought-out post.

You know, I've been debating if Six is indeed "Lucifer" (the TOS protagonist of Baltar). Lucifer (the Bible version) is said to have been the most "beautiful" of God's angels. Six truly is a wonder to behold and her numerial reference makes me wonder if she is truly the BSG universe's "devil".

There's only one thing that isn't consistant with the devil theory: Six belongs to the same agenda of the rest of the Cylons. One god (not our 'God') above all pretenders. Wants the destruction of the human race. Procration is one of "god's commandments". What Six believes, so does the Sharon Valerii model. It's hard to see Six as our version of the great deceiver when she follows the same path. The only person who she plays devil to (on occasion) is Gaius. Then again, after seeing the original pilot, I get sick thinking about how intentionally (or perhaps unintentionally) "Six" broke the neck of the infant. It kills me every time I think about it.

If anyone could be seen as Lucifer (down the road), it might be Boomer. Her love of Helo (and possibly Chief Tyrol) and her baby will make it her priority to survive in the fleet, close to them. She may even try to betray her brother/sister Cylons despite what she said about refusing to give them up to Bill Adama.

It seems during the preview of "Downloaded" she seems rather rebellious - a trait that does seem in line with being Lucifer. She may develop more of that as the series progresses. But then again, from what the Episode description for next week, sounds like the Six model as well sounds a bit reluctant to be a Hero of the Cylon.

I like your posts, tho'.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:17 PM

pretty good post... Some of it is certainly true (like why the name Sharon was chosen), the rest i can only hope.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 01:25 PM

Blackshoe, well it seems to me that the main Cylon agenda is a result of being lead astray. Sharon is closer to what God really wants. The "Six" in Baltar's head is certainly not actually the woman he knew on Caprica, as we will see. As for the infanticide, the cast and crew have all said that it was meant as a merciful act.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:23 PM

The Jungian "Ruler" could be an as-yet-unrevealed bio-Cylon.

However, I'm still holidng out for the Cylon ruler (or ruling oligarchy) to be non-humanoid.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 02:28 PM

I'm in awe.

Thanks for the effort. The current issue of the Battlestar Galactica Magazine has an article comparing the zodiac to the colonies, but its not nearly as insightful as this post.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:05 PM

I'm not sure whether it does your theories justice to apply them too literally to the script of the show; rather, it seems to me that your insights would underline character traits and er, archtypes of the various characters as we progress. Gina or Six or whoever doesn't have to do the whole "paradise lost" thing in order to fill the role of Satan or the deceiver in a metaphorical sense.

Remember that some of the show's overt mythological elements were derived without much pretext from the original series, which itself seemed to be a digest of weird Mormon cabalism or something. If the show takes itself too literally in that sense, it runs the risk of devolving into an advertisement for a cult, er 'religion', which I doubt is Moore's intention (though it may have been Larson's).

Myself, I prefer crafty 'sciencey' explanations, or at worst, intentional vagueness and the appearance of questionable serendipity where the show's religious themes are concerned. Anyone remember the Matrix movies? They did two cool movies around a premise of artful manipulation of gnostic and shamanistic religious elements in a gibsonesque/jungian context, then chucked the premise for the third movie in favour of overt religious symbolism and Jeezian superpowers. The rationale that their writers crapped out for taking this left turn? "The power of the One extends to the source." Uhm, yeah, thanks for that one, EINSTEIN.

I'd just hate to see it happen to BSG.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:15 PM

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Myself, I prefer crafty 'sciencey' explanations, or at worst, intentional vagueness and the appearance of questionable serendipity...




Me too. Just so long as they don't overdose on it like the writers of LOST!
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:20 PM

I say Ribsy, you forgot to mention who you were quoting when you quoted. This confuses and enrages me. I think I will insult you and then alert the moderators that you are doing such things, thereby elevating me in the eyes of all astute observers!

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:29 PM

Originally posted by The_MervGriffian Clone:

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say Ribsy, you forgot to mention who you were quoting when you quoted. This confuses and enrages me. I think I will insult you and then alert the moderators that you are doing such things, thereby elevating me in the eyes of all astute observers!




Happy now?
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:30 PM

Are you kidding? That dude is so unhappy it's sad.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:38 PM

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:40 PM

We really need our own thread for this stuff.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 03:43 PM

I really need to go get a burrito. At least we bumped this most excellent thread to the top. See ya later, take care and control.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 04:03 PM

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We really need our own thread for this stuff.




Yes, you do. This thread is about the Cylons. I mean that in the gentlest possible way.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 05:15 PM

That is an extremely well thought-out post, and it makes me wonder just how much detail goes into each character's name for the series (and the miniseries, for that matter).

One thing I seem to remember was that the decision to make Boomer a Cylon was last-second. It was a whim near the end of the shooting, which then suggests that Sharon Valeri's name was not chosen for Cylon purposes but for another reason.

Of course, having Sharon be a "rebel" can work with her being human, because of her illicit affair with Chief. She was breaking regulations, rebelling, even then.

It's also interesting how people can choose names and then realize afterward how suited those names are. For instance, in the novel I'm writing, I decided on the name "Miriam" for one of the heroines of the story. A friend had suggested it, and I liked it, partly because it was a Jewish name and I'd decided to make the character a secular Jew. It wasn't until recent that I found out that the name Miriam means "Strong Willed" and "Wished For" (among other things), which was a very good description for the character. (Amusingly enough, I chose the names for the fae in the novel for their meanings, but chose name for the human characters based on what I liked. They both ended up synching up quite nicely.)

Another meaning for Lee is "Sheltered from the storm"
Kara? "Sweet Melody"
Gaius? "Rejoicer"
Laura? "Laurel-Crowned"
Sara (Six-in-head's name, as revealed in Pegasus)? "Princess"

And when you think of it, Six thus becomes an excellent Satan, because Satan has often been referred to as the Prince of Darkness (and I believe I'd seen somewhere that he also considers himself the Prince of Mankind or something to that effect, but I'm probably mistaken as I can't find any suggestion of that in Wikipedia). Sara being Princess, she could very well see herself as the Ruler of Humanity, which is why she is willing to play both Cylon and Human against each other.

Anyway, excellent article. Take care!

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 05:29 PM

I think Sara was a captioning mistake in Home, part 2. Like how Seelix and Tarn were called Felix and Petard by the KLG, part 2 captions. Interesting that it fits somewhat anyway. In the novel, the name of Baltar's Six is Natasi. Backwards that's "I, Satan." The author has denied it being intentional, but believe it I do not. Now, since the real Six seems to be not evil, "I, Satan" would not mean she is the devil, but rather that the "devil" (hallucinatory Six) takes her form.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 08:18 PM

Thought you knew. There are no captioning mistakes, just expansions upon the core mythos.

It would be an interesting question to ask RDM the next time he has a Q&A session.

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 11:39 PM

(cough) Everyone remembers ofcourse, that RDM once said in an interview or podcast or something that the Cylons looked at the Colonials and said;
"There are basically only twelve versions of you guys...."
,and designed the fleshbots.
(cough)




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