The Seer - Discussion ***Contains Spoilers***, Episode 4X08(11/16/2007) SGA 's future is predicted Rating Options

[squall28]

EPISODE NUMBER - 408
ORIGINAL U.S. AIR DATE - 11.16.07
WRITTEN BY - Alan McCullough
GUEST STARRING - Robert Picardo (Richard Woolsey), Martin Jarvis (Davos), Kimberley Warnat (Linara), Jewel Staite (Jennifer Keller)
While searching for the Athosians, the team meets a man with extraordinary prophetic abilities, who gives them a dark prediction about Atlantis's future.

So, this ep is supposed to be the turning point of SGA where it becomes darker and everything starts to come to a head. Anyway, I have high hopes for this episode, as it could be in the top 5 of the season.

[daughterofslim]

The bad guys should be known too.

[netsez]

Reminds me of Christopher Walken in Dead Zone.

[StargateIndy]

So far so good!

[WarbNull]

I like this twist with their enemies. I can understand how Rodney feels knowing that it might have been his idea that caused this situation.

[AscendedTauri]

Holy Sh**, the Replicators are destroying human worlds!!!!

[WarbNull]

I new she was pregnant. Now i just need to find out who it is by. It was obvious though wasn't it.

[LinziDay2000]

Carter!! Oh jeez....

[WarbNull]

I wish they had that Wraith as a favorite guest character choice. He is a cool character. Also when will see Michael or Ford again. Last I saw Ford was when he let himself get caught in that Wraith dart.

[netsez]

They killed each other??? -yawn-

[LinziDay2000]

A new one in TWO weeks?? Aw man!

[netsez]

Another Deus Ex Machina, saved by the writers, ending.

[LinziDay2000]

Excellent, excellent episode!

So Carter let it slip that they played with the Replicator code and turned them on the Wraith. Bad thing.

[squall28]

Woosley is a weasel! LOL! Carter really showed some assertiveness. Good for her! It was one of those building up episodes. The visions were pretty cool. Honestly, I did not think what was going to happen at the end. The tension was really good. I loved the confrontation between Woosely and Carter. I cannot wait till "This Mortal Coil"!

[LinziDay2000]

Woosley is a weasel! LOL! Carter really showed some assertiveness. Good for her! It was one of those building up episodes. The visions were pretty cool. Honestly, I did not think what was going to happen at the end. The tension was really good. I loved the confrontation between Woosely and Carter. I cannot wait till "This Mortal Coil"!

Agreed! I love/hate Woosley. Plus Robert Picardo is the best actor. (Even if I keep expecting him to vanish in a hologram beam

This Mortal Coil. Is that the ep coming in two weeks, the one with McKay and his sister?

[squall28]

What made this episode interesting was all the trust issues going back and forth. You did not know how it was going to end. Carter trusted "The Seer" but had a hard time accepting that a future cannot be changed. Woosley wanted to trust Carter's command but overstepped his boundaries. Then Sheppard and the Wraith. LOL! "Not like we are dating" I think that was the biggest trust issue. Atlantis got burned before, but this time million's of people's lives are at state. So it makes it harder not to take up the offer.

[squall28]

Agreed! I love/hate Woosley. Plus Robert Picardo is the best actor. (Even if I keep expecting him to vanish in a hologram beam

This Mortal Coil. Is that the ep coming in two weeks, the one with McKay and his sister?

No that is the mid-season finale, scheduled to air on Dec 7th!

[AscendedTauri]

Oh man.... talk about the darkest changing point of the show. The Replicators got a whole lot worse destroying human worlds. The Wraith are wayyyy more deep than we ever thought, and the future is the most uncertain I have ever felt on the show!

And for all you Carter haters out there... SHUT UP! Carter rocked in this episode! Carter is not the same as Weir. While Weir may have made the same decision as Carter, but her actions would have been a lot different. She definitely proved herself to me in this episode. Alan McColough definitely knows how to write for Carter!

[starrlet]

Another good episode. This is one of the best series on TV. I can't wait for the Motion picture. This is a continous cliffhanger.....Good job!

[LinziDay2000]

What made this episode interesting was all the trust issues going back and forth. You did not know how it was going to end. Carter trusted "The Seer" but had a hard time accepting that a future cannot be changed. Woosley wanted to trust Carter's command but overstepped his boundaries. Then Sheppard and the Wraith. LOL! "Not like we are dating" I think that was the biggest trust issue. Atlantis got burned before, but this time million's of people's lives are at state. So it makes it harder not to take up the offer.

Trust. A good theme.

I thought the episode was also good because it contained, all at once, all the best of Atlantis: Action, drama, comedy, conflict, villans (in various forms), character growth, relationship growth, ties to past eps, hints about future eps, continuation of a story arc but the ability to stand on its own.

I'm sure I missed something....

Oh yeah, cool special effects!

[netsez]

I hate to always be a negative voice on the web, but people really think a 30 sec battle where the 2 bad guys kill each other is exciting and not just an easy way out?

Maybe I except too much, or I've seen too much and got jaded.

[LinziDay2000]

Oh man.... talk about the darkest changing point of the show. The Replicators got a whole lot worse destroying human worlds. The Wraith are wayyyy more deep than we ever thought, and the future is the most uncertain I have ever felt on the show!

And for all you Carter haters out there... SHUT UP! Carter rocked in this episode! Carter is not the same as Weir. While Weir may have made the same decision as Carter, but her actions would have been a lot different. She definitely proved herself to me in this episode. Alan McColough definitely knows how to write for Carter!

Carter is awesome. A great addition to the show. I hate the Wraith found out Atlantis messed with the Replicator code... but I love that Carter was the one who did it. Ugh! It just made me cringe that much more.

[squall28]

I am going to watch the 2nd airing in a few here before I rate the ep. I feel if a show is rewatchable it's an even better episode to me. You know how many times I've watched "Adrift" and "Lifeline" You'd be shocked.

[LinziDay2000]

No that is the mid-season finale, scheduled to air on Dec 7th!

Thanks!

I cannot wait until the next episode, the one with McKay and his sister. I'm so glad they're bringing her bck!

Say, do they have a scheduled air date for Kindred yet?

[starcraftchris]

love the episode. love sam carter as the boss of atlantis. question is rachel luttrel pregnant or is it just her character that is pregnant?

[LinziDay2000]

I am going to watch the 2nd airing in a few here before I rate the ep. I feel if a show is rewatchable it's an even better episode to me. You know how many times I've watched "Adrift" and "Lifeline" You'd be shocked.

LOL. We're sci fi fans. I doubt we'd be shocked.

[squall28]

I hate to always be a negative voice on the web, but people really think a 30 sec battle where the 2 bad guys kill each other is exciting and not just an easy way out?

Maybe I except too much, or I've seen too much and got jaded.

No of course not. It was the whole anticipation of what was going to happen. Woosely stepping out of line made it even more exciting. You had Carter and Woosley yelling at eachother and Sheppard was at the chair and did not know what to do.

My opinion is a good written episode does not need epic battles in space, yeah they are nice and add to the episode but we don't always need them. Atlantis has been more focused on the characters and that to me is a great thing. It makes the action and battle scenes more believable when you have fully developed characters thrown in there.

[LinziDay2000]

love the episode. love sam carter as the boss of atlantis. question is rachel luttrel pregnant or is it just her character that is pregnant?

Rachel Luttrel is pregnant as well.

[maggiemayday]

I hate to always be a negative voice on the web, but people really think a 30 sec battle where the 2 bad guys kill each other is exciting and not just an easy way out?

Maybe I except too much, or I've seen too much and got jaded.

Expectations do that to a person. The battle was as long as it needed to be, it wasn't the point of the episode for me. I don't think you're being negative so much as having a different mindset.

I liked the "wraith humor." Shake hands, yeah riiight .... lol.

[netsez]

Expectations do that to a person. The battle was as long as it needed to be, it wasn't the point of the episode for me. I don't think you're being negative so much as having a different mindset.

I liked the "wraith humor." Shake hands, yeah riiight .... lol.

It is not that I wanted a longer battle, it could have been 30mins instead. I just think it was such an easy way to end the episode that it smells of lazy writting.

[squall28]

I liked the "wraith humor." Shake hands, yeah riiight .... lol.

Carter: Well, you know a lot about the Wraith, especially this one.
Sheppard: Well it's not like we are dating!

[Arryn]

Great episode. I'll have to watch it again tomorrow. It was nice to see Woolsey again; Robert Picardo is an amazing actor in any role, on any show. (I would love to see Patrick Stewart guest-star on Atlantis someday but I doubt that'll ever happen.)
I actually like the darker atmosphere Atlantis is headed for, it makes things more interesting. Also, finally got to see more of Carter in this episode which is of course awesome (love both the character and the actress so to me there is no such thing as too much Carter...lol). Looking forward to next week's episode.

[starcraftchris]

just read rachel web site and she had a baby boy. i think we should all send her congrats

[LinziDay2000]

I cannot wait till "This Mortal Coil"!

I try not to peek ahead too much, but I had to go look it up. Oh jeez. Now I can't wait either. Thanks a lot!

[AscendedTauri]

I hate to always be a negative voice on the web, but people really think a 30 sec battle where the 2 bad guys kill each other is exciting and not just an easy way out?

Maybe I except too much, or I've seen too much and got jaded.

I don't think it was the easy way out at all. I think it added a lot more DEPTH to the Wraith. This ally Wraith, with the fact the two ships fired and destoroyed eachother showed that that Wraith was telling the truth... at least that he didn't release Atlantis' position. The Wraith are serious about taking down the Replicators... at least this guy is.

[maggiemayday]

I don't think it was the easy way out at all. I think it added a lot more DEPTH to the Wraith. This ally Wraith, with the fact the two ships fired and destoroyed eachother showed that that Wraith was telling the truth... at least that he didn't release Atlantis' position. The Wraith are serious about taking down the Replicators... at least this guy is.

I agree, plus it opened up the scene between Carter and Woolsey where he, and she, had to trust her instincts. To me, that's good writing.

[chief8abug]

Hi,

The "Seer" gave us Martin Jarvis as the seer and one of my favorite Wraiths. Mr. Jarvis helped create a believable character, and Sheppard's old buddy was hilarious. Though, I do wish Teyla was given a visionary map of her people's location.

I totally HEARTED the Wraith. It would've rocked if Woosley shook his hand. Like, totally.

Though I do have a question. How did Sheppard become the most experienced person in his dealings with the Wraith (in Atlantis)? He is the only one who has a history with their current prisoner, but he doesn't have Ronon's combat experience or Teyla's insight and telepathic link to the Wraith. So how did Woosley and Carter come up with Sheppard as their one and only savior?

Okay, and it bugged that Teyla wasn't allowed access to the Seer's vision. But he did leave clues.

Clue 1:
"Your people are alive..."

Clue 2:
"...but they're shrouded in darkness."

That could mean 3 things. Michael kidnapped them and they were transformed into giant Iratus bugs, the Wraith has them in cold storage and they're all in some kind of deep sleep, or they were located by the replicators and transformed into mindless cyborgs. At this point, anything is possible.

[LinziDay2000]

Clue 2:
"...but they're shrouded in darkness."

That could mean 3 things. Michael kidnapped them and they were transformed into giant Iratus bugs, the Wraith has them in cold storage and they're all in some kind of deep sleep, or they were located by the replicators and transformed into mindless cyborgs. At this point, anything is possible.

LOL. Or they're in a really dimly lit cave.

[netsez]

I agree, plus it opened up the scene between Carter and Woolsey where he, and she, had to trust her instincts. To me, that's good writing.

My last comment:

I don't see how a lucky guess by Carter is good writing. There was no evidence that she based her decision on anything concrete. Even gut feelings have to be based on something, past experience, traits of the enemy, etc Carter doesn't know the Wraith well enough to make gut choices.

[LinziDay2000]

Oh good! It's on again.

[AscendedTauri]

Hi,

The "Seer" gave us Martin Jarvis as the seer and one of my favorite Wraiths. Mr. Jarvis helped create a believable character, and Sheppard's old buddy was hilarious. Though, I do wish Teyla was given a visionary map of her people's location.

I totally HEARTED the Wraith. It would've rocked if Woosley shook his hand. Like, totally.

Though I do have a question. How did Sheppard become the most experienced person in his dealings with the Wraith (in Atlantis)? He is the only one who has a history with their current prisoner, but he doesn't have Ronon's combat experience or Teyla's insight and telepathic link to the Wraith. So how did Woosley and Carter come up with Sheppard as their one and only savior?

Okay, and it bugged that Teyla wasn't allowed access to the Seer's vision. But he did leave clues.

Clue 1:
"Your people are alive..."

Clue 2:
"...but they're shrouded in darkness."

That could mean 3 things. Michael kidnapped them and they were transformed into giant Iratus bugs, the Wraith has them in cold storage and they're all in some kind of deep sleep, or they were located by the replicators and transformed into mindless cyborgs. At this point, anything is possible.

Well, Sheppard basically almost turned into an Iratus/Wraith bug combo. But mostly, he had a history of how that particular Wraith worked, and was able to get into how he may act. Sheps. been captured by the Wraith, the encounter with the Wraith on the Travellers episode. I can see what they meant by Sheppard having the experience.

Teyla's people.. GAH! Where are they!? I loved that scene with Teyla talking with the Seer.

The Carter/Woolsey scene was one of the best in Stargate history. Rock on Carter! So indecisive/pansy-like now? No, she convinced me she's a leader, and a wise one at that.

[LinziDay2000]

My last comment:

I don't see how a lucky guess by Carter is good writing. There was no evidence that she based her decision on anything concrete.

I'm a little dopey with cold medicine, so I may not write this as well as I'd like. Perhaps it won't even make sense. But here I go anyway....

After that discussion with the Seer, I got the impression Carter based her decision on the character she wanted to have as a leader. She wanted to shape the future with trust and thoughtful decisions not predicated on immediate fear. And rightfully so.... look where mistrust/fear would have gotten them. Woolsey's decision (let's face it, he's like the anti-Carter ) would have signaled their location to the Wraith and likely gotten them destroyed.

[LinziDay2000]

Sheppard: It's more like doubling down against a pair of tens.

Ha! It's actually the perfect analogy.

[Homebuddy]

I just finished watching the future of Atlantis through the "seer's" eyes. I was very upset to see the tower being bombed and falling. Couldn't there have been a different kind of bomb scene besides this one? Too reminiscent of the WTC falling. It may have been awhile but,that still echos in people's minds and I think they could've done this scene much differently.

[FireCat]

I loved the Wraith scenes, but I'm sick of Woolsey. No more Woolsey! And he can take Keller with him, she is duller than ever.

[netsez]

I'm a little dopey with cold medicine, so I may not write this as well as I'd like. Perhaps it won't even make sense. But here I go anyway....

After that discussion with the Seer, I got the impression Carter based her decision on the character she wanted to have as a leader. She wanted to shape the future with trust and thoughtful decisions not predicated on immediate fear. And rightfully so.... look where mistrust/fear would have gotten them. Woolsey's decision (let's face it, he's like the anti-Carter ) would have signaled their location to the Wraith and likely gotten them destroyed.

That is total non scientific, touchy-feely, hoohah nonsense, but it works

[asgardcommanderj...]

I thought it was a great episode, an once more more pictures were in carter's office.

[Nightroad]

I enjoyed this episode as a whole.

As for the Athosian thing, I really don't know what to think about it. What would just be grand is if the Ori came into the story now! Glory to the Ori! But seriously, it smells of an ascended being to me. Guess we have to wait and find out!

I was really enjoying the Wraith this episode, especially the hand shake joke and the laugh the Wraith let out after it. The laugh is what got me the most, since he really seemed to enjoy his little joke, a part of the Wraith we have not really seen much of. It makes me yearn to see more of the everyday life of a Wraith.

[squall28]

I loved the Wraith scenes, but I'm sick of Woolsey. No more Woolsey! And he can take Keller with him, she is duller than ever.

Aww man, I thought Keller was really good in this episode.

[UofMPride]

I posted this in another forum topic, but this episode is what really set me off:

Maybe it is just me, but I REALLY miss Carter the scientist. I know that she is the leader of Atlantis and all, but she is a scientist too. Since she has made the move there is only one time that I recall that she was a scientist and even that was not all that memorable. It really bothers me that she is asking McKay so many questions, like 'how's it coming?' 'can you do it?' This whole Replicator virus thing has a Carter-McKay team written all over it, why has that not happened as of yet? It is annoying the living daylights out of me. Carter on SG-1 ran circles around McKay, but it seems like she left her science brain over on Earth. This is really hurting my enjoyment of the show. I am not looking for her to constantly be in the lab, just occasionally be in the lab, just occasionally putting her two cents in with McKay even if it is just to bug him. During Weir's reign we saw her linguistic skills, can we please see Carter's science side. I promise it would add just a little bit to the show. But is it just me, or is this bothering other people too?

Other than the Carter thing, the episode was fine. I do not like the whole Atlantis destroying thing, because that just happened, let the city be whole for once. I am happy that Teyla is pregnant (Rachel was pregnant, you know what I mean), it is going to be weird for Sheppard and Ronon, they will be great uncles though. But I would say that I like this episode more than last week's.

I agree with Nightroad, that handsake thing was so funny. My laughing could be heard miles away.


Good night all!

[kahanabay]

I thought the episode was also good because it contained, all at once, all the best of Atlantis: Action, drama, comedy, conflict, villains (in various forms), character growth, relationship growth, ties to past eps, hints about future eps, continuation of a story arc but the ability to stand on its own.

I'm sure I missed something....

Oh yeah, cool special effects!

Those are all the things I think about when going over this ep in my mind. I loved it -- much of it seemed like movie-quality material to me, because it did have that excellent blend of elements, plus some really, really good acting. The tension was so realistic that the funny lines were a real surprise, which made them even funnier. (Great writing!) And once again we saw very high quality in the production values -- a lot of great touches to create atmosphere. I'll look forward to watching The Seer again tomorrow.

I think the ending was completely plausible, since Carter (loved her and Keller both in this ep, but Carter especially) was repeating out loud what Davos said to her about the role of the character in shaping the future. Clearly, that's what tipped the scales for her re. the key decision. It seemed at first like too much of a Star Trek moment, but was toned down and played out in keeping with SGA's brand of sci-fi. The writer had already set the stage for this finale with Steve's -- umm, I mean the Wraith's -- mention of what we've encountered before, i.e. the Wraith being split into camps. No deus ex machina, just a consistent and intelligent plot, and a chance for those involved to show their character.

Now, I'm going to be chomping at the bit for every episode still to come. Can't wait!

[Dargolives]

This season has been an absolute blast to watch! There has not been a bad episode in the bunch yet, and as a matter of fact the only bad thing about this season so far is having to wait 2 weeks for a new one.

[FiveSeasons]

I posted this in another forum topic, but this episode is what really set me off:

Maybe it is just me, but I REALLY miss Carter the scientist. I know that she is the leader of Atlantis and all, but she is a scientist too. Since she has made the move there is only one time that I recall that she was a scientist and even that was not all that memorable. It really bothers me that she is asking McKay so many questions, like 'how's it coming?' 'can you do it?' This whole Replicator virus thing has a Carter-McKay team written all over it, why has that not happened as of yet? It is annoying the living daylights out of me. Carter on SG-1 ran circles around McKay, but it seems like she left her science brain over on Earth. This is really hurting my enjoyment of the show. I am not looking for her to constantly be in the lab, just occasionally be in the lab, just occasionally putting her two cents in with McKay even if it is just to bug him. During Weir's reign we saw her linguistic skills, can we please see Carter's science side. I promise it would add just a little bit to the show. But is it just me, or is this bothering other people too?

Other than the Carter thing, the episode was fine. I do not like the whole Atlantis destroying thing, because that just happened, let the city be whole for once. I am happy that Teyla is pregnant (Rachel was pregnant, you know what I mean), it is going to be weird for Sheppard and Ronon, they will be great uncles though. But I would say that I like this episode more than last week's.

I agree with Nightroad, that handsake thing was so funny. My laughing could be heard miles away.
Good night all!

I agree with you. This has been bothering me, too. Carter was such a great character on SG-1 and had so much brain power to contribute. It ruins the credibility of her character for me that she's not more on top of things. The writers are trying to explain her new role with remarks such as when she said in this ep that she was used to making life and death decisions that would affect only herself and not an entire city (Atlantis) but I would still expect more verve from the old Samantha and more answers. Even if she is trying to let the people under her do their jobs, in a life and death situation, I would think she would jump in and do whatever she could. But then, where would that leave Rodney?

Good episode, though. The Wraith character is terrific. The prison episode he was in with Shepherd was one the best and I'm glad they brought him back.

[firsTraveler]

I new she was pregnant. Now i just need to find out who it is by. It was obvious though wasn't it.

It's always bad news for a serious show when they feel they need to add a baby/child.

[StargateIndy]

Well I read everyone's posts and no one mentioned something about The Seer episode. I don't know if i should say anything because I think the writers are settings us up for something else....it's not necessarily a spoiler but misdirection......

[JediTank]

This episode was very cool. Carter and Sheppard were very good in the Leed tandem IMO. The storyline was excellent...I mean Shpes old prison mate comes for help..and you know..the replicators are a serious threat..I hope they dont ruin the replicator wars with a simple click of Rodenys laptop button..I want to see them fighting for the Pegasus galaxies life, a knock down drag out fight like we enjoyed in the Seige trilogy.

[JolinarCZ]

Ah, finally managed to log in.

Y'know, usually I wait for the subtitles, but today I wasn't able just to sit and wait, so I watched it without them. Aaaaand.... no problems. I surprised myself. Anyway...

Tož co říkám na Seer? Well I must tell, it was the worst ep of the fourth season for me. But I think, it wasn't about some seer and his predictions of Atlantis' dark age as much as about the storyline background - Teyla's pregnancy, Replicators attacking human worlds, Woolsey's X Carter's authority and competence...

So I didn't like the basic of the episode, but the background started new age, new storyline, new direction of the Lanteans' thoughts.

Poor Rodney. It must be terrible feeling.

I really liked Woolsey in this ep. Actually he's always been one of my faves. No one likes him, but I think, he always tries to do the best thing for everyone. And everytime it's the right thing, but it depends, for who. I understand him. He often has to make harder decisions, than the others.

I'm starting to "not dislike" Carter in SGA. Actually she's OK, but I can't stand her long hair. Sorry, but it's horrible. And it's also odd, that she as the top scientist on Earth does have to ask Rodney for some technical.... things. Dunno, just opinion..

[squall28]

This season has been an absolute blast to watch! There has not been a bad episode in the bunch yet, and as a matter of fact the only bad thing about this season so far is having to wait 2 weeks for a new one.

I totally agree.

It's always bad news for a serious show when they feel they need to add a baby/child.

Worked for Farscape, BSG, and SG-1!

[squall28]

This episode was very cool. Carter and Sheppard were very good in the Leed tandem IMO. The storyline was excellent...I mean Shpes old prison mate comes for help..and you know..the replicators are a serious threat..I hope they dont ruin the replicator wars with a simple click of Rodenys laptop button..I want to see them fighting for the Pegasus galaxies life, a knock down drag out fight like we enjoyed in the Seige trilogy.

Yeah I think with the new story about what the replicators are doing have made the show a lot darker. Atlantis was responsible for turning on the attack code. I liked how Rodney was talking to Sheppard and said it was all his fault, and they lost Elizabeth because of it. I think that shows how much Rodney has grown as a character. He truly does take responsibilty and wants to make things right. I think the first season he would of been more stubborn to admit the fault.

[AscendedTauri]

It's always bad news for a serious show when they feel they need to add a baby/child.

In this case, they had to. Rachel Lutrell became pregnant in real life, so what were they going to do? They couldn't write her out of the show because that would have been a terrible solution. I really like how they're weaving her pregnancy into the story plot. Fits really well with the darkness that surrounds this season.

I agree with you Squall as well. Rodney's character has grown a lot. I thought at many points last season he really got on my nerves, but this year he has been way better. I think the next new episode will really give us a taste as to how he exactly he's grown.

[LihtKarmaDjinn]

the vision carter had was of a replicator ship destroying replicator city that looks like Atlantis her vision was NOT of Atlantis getting destroyed rather their first interpretation was a little off slightly of the vision it is more likely the replicators are uploaded with a virus that makes them attack other replicators and we saw them destroying each other. Nothing to worry about tell IOA not to throw in the towel yet. And did carter download and Asgard conscious inside her brain.

[StargateIndy]

the vision carter had was of a replicator ship destroying replicator city that looks like Atlantis her vision was NOT of Atlantis getting destroyed rather their first interpretation was a little off slightly of the vision it is more likely the replicators are uploaded with a virus that makes them attack other replicators and we saw them destroying each other. Nothing to worry about tell IOA not to throw in the towel yet. And did carter download and Asgard conscious inside her brain.

You are right about the ship being a replicator ship or some ship with ancient technology. I didn't want to spoil anyone but oh well...

At the end of episode, it wasn't ancient ships but wraith ships, so her vision was not something immediate but longer term. The show tried to make you think that the attack was coming at the end of the episode. And Carter even had a chat with Shep at the end that it may be a vision of something else in case anyone didn't get it...

As for the city being a replicator city, I can't tell the difference, how do you know it was not Atlantis?

[AscendedTauri]

the vision carter had was of a replicator ship destroying replicator city that looks like Atlantis her vision was NOT of Atlantis getting destroyed rather their first interpretation was a little off slightly of the vision it is more likely the replicators are uploaded with a virus that makes them attack other replicators and we saw them destroying each other. Nothing to worry about tell IOA not to throw in the towel yet. And did carter download and Asgard conscious inside her brain.

WOW! I never thought of that! That would be a fantastic twist in the story-arc. The Replicator home-world does have a replica of Atlantis on it, but I have to say it looked like our Atlantis and not the Replicator one.

And no, Carter did not have an Asgard conciousness downloaded into her brain.

[squall28]

the vision carter had was of a replicator ship destroying replicator city that looks like Atlantis her vision was NOT of Atlantis getting destroyed rather their first interpretation was a little off slightly of the vision it is more likely the replicators are uploaded with a virus that makes them attack other replicators and we saw them destroying each other. Nothing to worry about tell IOA not to throw in the towel yet. And did carter download and Asgard conscious inside her brain.

That makes sense, and I bet Dr. Weir has some sorta play in this.

[captain of the A...]

im still creeped out by the vision of atlantis being destroyed.
although he said the future is the way you interperate it...
could it posibly be the atlantis team destroying the replicators instead of the other way arround...
or maybe it was the travellers in the ship.

[captain of the A...]

the vision carter had was of a replicator ship destroying replicator city that looks like Atlantis her vision was NOT of Atlantis getting destroyed rather their first interpretation was a little off slightly of the vision it is more likely the replicators are uploaded with a virus that makes them attack other replicators and we saw them destroying each other. Nothing to worry about tell IOA not to throw in the towel yet. And did carter download and Asgard conscious inside her brain.

maybe the vision carter saw was not even in this univers you know how they love to tinker with parallel universes in the show

[JolinarCZ]

That makes sense, and I bet Dr. Weir has some sorta play in this.

I watched Carter's vision several times... again and again... and concentrated to the people running around... I wasn't able to identify them - there was no chance to tell, what they were wearing (lantean uniforms or replicator ones?). So it is big clue to out thoughts, that Elizabeth will have something to do with this.

GO WEIR GO

[gatorade]

I think this was an excellent episode, but there was a few things that annoyed me a little bit.

Why wasn't there any mention of time travel that both shows have gone through?
Atlantis itself used time-traveling puddle jumper and sg1. Not to mention time traveling using the stargate. The whole conversation about the future should of mentioned something. They have seen a future and changed it. This leads me to my next question.

Why wasn't there any mention of what happen to Jonas Quin in season six "Metamorphasis"?
This is an almost exact situation where they saw events that happen but didn't exactly know its context. This leads me to my next question.

What the heck are they doing with Carter?
It appears to me that they are dumping down her character for the show. You have her on the show and she is from sg1. She is not a new character so there is no need to treat her like she is. Watching her on this episode was like she never went through any experiences on sg1.
A) The whole dilemma of where she can't believe the future is predetermine. Lame. She went through all of this already. Now the show is telling us she
neverhad such experiences. She's time travel. Jonas Quin was a seer. She knows about seeing images and there context, aka Jonas Quin. This is not new
to her and they wrote the episode like it was new to her.
There is no way in heck she would be asking Sheppard on how to lead, no way. She has been in the military longer, gone through far more situations then
Sheppard, plus she is of higher rank. Is the show telling us that she learned absolutely nothing from Gen. Landry, Gen. Hammond, and especially Gen.
Oniell. Again, Carter is not a new character, they should stop treating her like one. And please don't say Gen. Hammond always talk to O'niell. He did talk
O'niell, but it was never on how to lead which is different from what's your position on a situation.

[pdleod]

As i have said, the atosians had to dissapear. I thin the writers have decoded to keep the show without any real human relations. Therefore Teyla, and any female on the show, cannot have any relationship. If the Athosians, and her boyfriend, dissapear, never to be seen again, Teyla is pining away for absent lover and thus off limits to any other male. Problem solved cheaply. A chaance to improove things was wasted.

[AscendedTauri]

I highly doubt it's a parallel universe, and I hope to god they don't bring that story-plot back. After all, the Seer did say that all of his visions came true in one way or another.

'The future is determined by the character of those who shape it.'

Now that will become a famous Stargate quote for sure. Sort of like, 'If you immedietely know the candle light is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago.'

[JolinarCZ]

I think this was an excellent episode, but there was a few things that annoyed me a little bit.

Why wasn't there any mention of time travel that both shows have gone through?
Atlantis itself used time-traveling puddle jumper and sg1. Not to mention time traveling using the stargate. The whole conversation about the future should of mentioned something. They have seen a future and changed it. This leads me to my next question.

Why wasn't there any mention of what happen to Jonas Quin in season six "Metamorphasis"?
This is an almost exact situation where they saw events that happen but didn't exactly know its context. This leads me to my next question.

What the heck are they doing with Carter?
It appears to me that they are dumping down her character for the show. You have her on the show and she is from sg1. She is not a new character so there is no need to treat her like she is. Watching her on this episode was like she never went through any experiences on sg1.
A) The whole dilemma of where she can't believe the future is predetermine. Lame. She went through all of this already. Now the show is telling us she
neverhad such experiences. She's time travel. Jonas Quin was a seer. She knows about seeing images and there context, aka Jonas Quin. This is not new
to her and they wrote the episode like it was new to her.
There is no way in heck she would be asking Sheppard on how to lead, no way. She has been in the military longer, gone through far more situations then
Sheppard, plus she is of higher rank. Is the show telling us that she learned absolutely nothing from Gen. Landry, Gen. Hammond, and especially Gen.
Oniell. Again, Carter is not a new character, they should stop treating her like one. And please don't say Gen. Hammond always talk to O'niell. He did talk
O'niell, but it was never on how to lead which is different from what's your position on a situation.

I'll react just to some points:
Preventively: Please, don't get me wrong, I don't wanna doubt your points, just... y'know

1: They used the Jumper for travelling in the past to get the ZPM, yes. But do you also remember the troubles it made and how Carter was almost annoying with her warnings?

2: Maybe she didn't mention Jonas Quinn's situation, because there wasn't anything to mention. There was similar situation in SGC and what? Maybe just Rodney's point was importatnt - that predicting the future is possible, but bla bla bla...

3: I don't see any problem with discussing her steps with Shep. And they said that there: He has more experiences with the Wraith than anyone else. I think, she did the right think. She's the commander, but no one can be alone making so difficult decisions such as this one.

[AscendedTauri]

Seriously, Carter is very wise for talking with Shep. You're talking about decisions that could affect the entire galaxy, and Sheppard would have his hands on the trigger (the chair). I really like the friendship feel to the Carter/Sheppard relationship. Any Weir/Shep shippers should now notice how much better a Carter/Shep. relationship would be. Reminded me of O'Neill/Carter except without so much military b.s. I like it, I hope they keep up the friendship part of things and let Carter lead the way she seems most fit: analytically and not impulsively.

[squall28]

A lot of people seem to be stressing about Carter. I don't think they dumped her down, she is now a leader, and she is acting like one finally. She really told off Woosley, felt like I was watching O'neill telling off someone.

Anyway, season is still young, I'm sure she'll get her chance to stretch that brain of hers.

[Raziel-Shanks]

Oh man. Finally Carter is back! Yeah!
(Squall: yeah all those years spent along side jack would rubb off on her, but that's a real good thing )
Loving the return of the "Ace Frehley" wraith
And John's ovious respect for him. Cuz while he don't fully trust the wraith he does respect him.

Woolsy the weasel was his ususal great self.
I loved the nerd exchange between the Wraith and Rodney (when dealing with the virus)

In short a good one.

I loved it.

Next week must be real good

[UofMPride]

A lot of people seem to be stressing about Carter. I don't think they dumped her down, she is now a leader, and she is acting like one finally. She really told off Woosley, felt like I was watching O'neill telling off someone.

Anyway, season is still young, I'm sure she'll get her chance to stretch that brain of hers.

I hope you are right. They need to get this Carter thing together, she is a very bright scientist and a great leader, and I am ready to see that!

[brekke668]

I liked this episode a lot. Keller was great as the doctor I am not a big fan of her character but I liked her in this. I always love Woosley he can be a horse's butt at times but he means well and he can be brave. He is not trained for any of this but he didn't run back to Midway station.

I did have some issues with the whole conversation about the future. First of all Sam knows you can change it all it takes is a trip into the past to do it which shows that the future is not predetermed. Also when she said this may be the next step in human evolution she sounded like this was the first she had ever heard of it yet Jonas shpwed evidence of this when Nitri tried to make him an advanced human.

Also why was Carter not in the lab helping Rodney its like others have said she left her science brain back at the SGA.

And WTF is up with Teyla hiding her pregnancy why would she do that. I would have thought she would have at least told her team leader Shepard and why has Keller not informed Carter sorry that makes no sense as Chief medical officer it is her duty to report on the health of the staff and pregnancy is a big thing. Tey;a goes on missions don't you think that the fact that she is pregnant might have an effect on her. Something that her team leader and commanding officer should know about.

[squall28]

Oh man. Finally Carter is back! Yeah!
(Squall: yeah all those years spent along side jack would rubb off on her, but that's a real good thing )
Loving the return of the "Ace Frehley" wraith
And John's ovious respect for him. Cuz while he don't fully trust the wraith he does respect him.

Woolsy the weasel was his ususal great self.
I loved the nerd exchange between the Wraith and Rodney (when dealing with the virus)

In short a good one.

I loved it.

Next week must be real good

Hey Raz!! LOL Ace Frehley Wraith, that is great!

I like this episode not because we had some nice Wraith interaction but the overall trust issue. Who to trust and/or was right. Very well done!

[StargateIndy]

Loving the return of the "Ace Frehley" wraith

Can you enlighten me on why you called him that?

And what is his real name anyways? Or did they never come up with a name...Steve 2?

[squall28]

Can you enlighten me on why you called him that?

And what is his real name anyways? Or did they never come up with a name...Steve 2?

Ace Frehley from Kiss!

[StargateIndy]

Ace Frehley from Kiss!

ahhh! Thanks...I've never been a fan of KISS, not that I didn't like them, I just never paid attention to them...

[UofMPride]

Ace Frehley from Kiss!

That's pretty funny!!!!

They do look alike.

[squall28]

ahhh! Thanks...I've never been a fan of KISS, not that I didn't like them, I just never paid attention to them...

They do actually look similar, both long messy hair and the black markings.

[Raziel-Shanks]

Well what can I say?
I've been thinking of Kiss ever since I saw him
With the one-eyed Ace star going on

John should name him Ace or frehley or both

[Zygoptera]

Out of the entire episode, I think Keller had the best character-development line when she asked Carter, "Are we bringing him back to cure him or to study him?" For me, that gave more insight into her character than all of the previous 7 episodes.

The second best character-development line was said by the wraith when he asked to shake hands. Who knew the wraith had a sense of humor?? Lovely. And I have been waiting for his character to make a return to the show ever since we saw him with Shepperd in the Genii prison. I was thrilled to see him back! Wraith are no longer the 1-dimensional characters from the first season; at the very least, this particular one shows huge potential for complexity and personal introspection.

Woolsey is probably the finest guest actor the Stargate franchise has ever brought in. While a little too overbearing to appear in every episode, I always love it when he comes back. Whoever it was before me that said he always has to make very hard decisions that aren't necessarily wrong, I completely agree. What's so nice about Woolsey is that he's not an evil man or even a bad man, at that. He's an honest man who really wants to help, but prefers caution to danger. He sees the world different, is all. More often than not, I just feel bad for the man.

Personally, I have no problem with Carter's hands-off leadership style. She didn't "leave her brain back at the SGC," but rather, she has an entire city to run. She's not there to just do science anymore. That's for McKay and Zelenka and co. Carter is smart, for sure, but she has other things to be concerned with, down to the most minute details of Atlantis. It'd be hard to ask a leader to spend all her time in one field when she should really be letting the people hired for that job do their job and she should be worry instead about seeing the city runs smoothly on a day-to-day operation. And honestly, wouldn't it be an insult to McKay and Zelenka if she just took over their jobs rather than do her own? If McKay had gotten the job to be in charge of Atlantis like he had originally wanted, I could see him being the type who just couldn't let someone else do the science work and leave them alone. He'd be the type who would irresponsibly forgo his leadership duties to work all the science problems himself. Carter has more self-control and discipline than McKay.

I didn't mind the ending either. Like Squall said (I think it was him), it wasn't the end fight that really mattered. The tension building up to that moment was much more exciting and interesting to watch. I'll be honest, though, that this might just be differences in tastes. I generally don't mind deus ex machina endings so long as the story up to that point is good enough to compensate for it. In the case of this episode, I believe that it was.

I cannot wait 'til next week's episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[queeneve]

I gave it a B. I liked the ep, but I'm really starting to hate the whole "Oh, aren't we lucky!" Endings. I'm glad I"m not the only one who thinks that. I'd like to see them getting out of situations on their own wits, instead of just blind luck.

I'm really liking this Wraith. He doesn't move or talk like a Wraith though, which is cool. I suppose John is rubbing off on him. Are they going to keep him around for awhile, or what? And does he have a name?

I do love Robert Picardo. This show definitely needs more nerd!

And last of all, I really don't want this show to go all dark, really. It would just change the show, and then it wouldn't be the same show anymore. Not everything has to be depressing!! Don't listen to David Eick!!! Please!!!

Congrats to Rachel!!! She'll be an amazing mom!


Eveie

PS--This Wraiths markings are an homage to kiss, one of the writers or something is a huge fan.

[kahanabay]

I also very much appreciated Keller's line, "Are we bringing him here to save him or to study him?" It looked like that made Carter wince a bit -- she knows all about the ethics and morality involved, on a personal level.

I'm glad that the writers aren't putting in that many references to what happened in SG-1. Not everyone watched SG-1, and some quit watching before the Jonas Quinn character was brought in. Too much SG-1 science could make things very complicated for those who missed the relevant episodes.

Re. the ending, it seemed to me like the command team was having to stretch its wits as much as ever, with all the Wraith and Replicator subplots to take into consideration, and probably everyone's mind going again and again back over all the strategic matters and everything that's brought them to where they are now. Carter is having to decide whether an apparently inevitable scenario of Atlantis being destroyed requires that Atlantis strike first, thus revealing their position. Time was of the essence; pressure was high; and given that, she just may not have been able to think about the possibility that the Atlantis she saw was on the Replicator world. And even if she'd thought about it, she couldn't be certain that's what Davos's vision was about. In light of that, I think she made a decision that was not only courageous but intelligent ("How do we want to shape the furture?") Woolsey's conscientious opposition to Carter's decision must have had Sheppard's mind racing as he sat with his hands on the probe controls. While most of the audience probably knew that he'd follow Carter's order, we've seen that he also is a very intelligent person who doesn't blindly follow orders.

So character was as much of an issue at the end as was intelligence. We've seen that before, and I'm glad to see it again.

And, after all, having the Wraith ships fire on each other was a very real possibility, given the information the imprisoned Wraith gave regarding his race being divided into different camps. Plus, there's precedent. I just can't see it as mere luck for the Lanteans; the scenario was developed with attention to plausibility, based on Wraith history and the present situation as it could have been perceived by the second Wraith ship.

[Wingbones]

Gave it an A.

Unlike a lot of people it seems, I started out disliking the Carter idea but this episode sent my opinion flying in the other direction. I don't want her in the lab. This is exactly the way I like seeing Carter. Just the leader. Understandably inexperienced at dealing with being the boss of a whole city and needing to lean on others to make the right decisions. Poifect.

I would like to see a raven haired lass now and again. Pegasus galaxy seems to be Blondetopia. Except Katie, who's great(reds are good too) .

Isn't the wraith Col. Decker?(A-team) Someone needs to bring a joy-buzzer to the interrogation room. Shake? Sure! Zap!

My guess is the vision is the Travelers ship or Replicator ship shooting Atlantis. I would say it is a Replicator copy, but do Replicators run around like that when they are attacked?

Thats all for now...

[artemisn9]

I gave this episode an A. And let me be the first to say that I was wrong. I was one of those doubters that didn't think adding Sam on the show would be a good idea. However, I was wrong. Sam is great for Atlantis and Atlantis is great for Sam. Unlike Elizabeth, Sam was able to make a tough decision and actually present herself as someone in controal and not afraid to make hard decisions. I loved it.

Keller still hasn't grown on me. And after watching her in Missing, I'm beginning to think that she never will. But oh well, as long as I have John, Teyla, Rodney, Ronan (and yes) Sam. I'm o.k.

This season is the best ever!!!!!!!

[Wingbones]

Unlike Elizabeth, Sam was able to make a tough decision and actually present herself as someone in control and not afraid to make hard decisions.

What? Carter had to soul search and then present a tough final decision just as much as Liz did.

Sorry, thats a tad OT.

[LihtKarmaDjinn]

What if anubis had found atlantis rather then us? Can you imagine the diffent timeline? I meant to post this in the general descussion section

[squall28]

Gave it an A.

Unlike a lot of people it seems, I started out disliking the Carter idea but this episode sent my opinion flying in the other direction. I don't want her in the lab. This is exactly the way I like seeing Carter. Just the leader. Understandably inexperienced at dealing with being the boss of a whole city and needing to lean on others to make the right decisions. Poifect.

I would like to see a raven haired lass now and again. Pegasus galaxy seems to be Blondetopia. Except Katie, who's great(reds are good too) .

Isn't the wraith Col. Decker?(A-team) Someone needs to bring a joy-buzzer to the interrogation room. Shake? Sure! Zap!

My guess is the vision is the Travelers ship or Replicator ship shooting Atlantis. I would say it is a Replicator copy, but do Replicators run around like that when they are attacked?

Thats all for now...

After posting on multiple site forums, you cannot make everyone happy. Thankfully this season is getting an overall more postive feedback. So I am happy to be in the Pro crowd. I have to agree, Carter needs to be a leader not stuck in a lab. She has been showing that. Her telling off Woosley was a major step in leadership! I know she earned a lot of respect from like Sheppard and Mckay!

[kahanabay]

Out of the entire episode, I think Keller had the best character-development line when she asked Carter, "Are we bringing him back to cure him or to study him?" For me, that gave more insight into her character than all of the previous 7 episodes.

The second best character-development line was said by the wraith when he asked to shake hands. Who knew the wraith had a sense of humor?? Lovely. And I have been waiting for his character to make a return to the show ever since we saw him with Shepperd in the Genii prison. I was thrilled to see him back! Wraith are no longer the 1-dimensional characters from the first season; at the very least, this particular one shows huge potential for complexity and personal introspection.

Woolsey is probably the finest guest actor the Stargate franchise has ever brought in. While a little too overbearing to appear in every episode, I always love it when he comes back. Whoever it was before me that said he always has to make very hard decisions that aren't necessarily wrong, I completely agree. What's so nice about Woolsey is that he's not an evil man or even a bad man, at that. He's an honest man who really wants to help, but prefers caution to danger. He sees the world different, is all. More often than not, I just feel bad for the man.

Personally, I have no problem with Carter's hands-off leadership style. She didn't "leave her brain back at the SGC," but rather, she has an entire city to run. She's not there to just do science anymore. That's for McKay and Zelenka and co. Carter is smart, for sure, but she has other things to be concerned with, down to the most minute details of Atlantis. It'd be hard to ask a leader to spend all her time in one field when she should really be letting the people hired for that job do their job and she should be worry instead about seeing the city runs smoothly on a day-to-day operation. And honestly, wouldn't it be an insult to McKay and Zelenka if she just took over their jobs rather than do her own? If McKay had gotten the job to be in charge of Atlantis like he had originally wanted, I could see him being the type who just couldn't let someone else do the science work and leave them alone. He'd be the type who would irresponsibly forgo his leadership duties to work all the science problems himself. Carter has more self-control and discipline than McKay.

I didn't mind the ending either. Like Squall said (I think it was him), it wasn't the end fight that really mattered. The tension building up to that moment was much more exciting and interesting to watch. I'll be honest, though, that this might just be differences in tastes. I generally don't mind deus ex machina endings so long as the story up to that point is good enough to compensate for it. In the case of this episode, I believe that it was.

I cannot wait 'til next week's episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that's an excellent post in all respects.

Re. the ending, I realize I don't need to restate my opinion posted above. I'd just like to second the statements of everyone who's pointed out just how much we learned about Carter as a leader in that scene. Whatever's to come, I think she's going to do a great job.

Props again to cast and crew for everything that was packed into this super episode.

[roadscholar]

Ever since we found out that McKay's program tweaking worked I had wondered if they were willing to take SGA down this road. Now that we know they are I suppose that they can use Dr. Weir as a reason for not automatically doing it. One of the major ways to gain control of a conflict is to destroy or better yet gain control of your adversary's resources. In the case of the wraith their food is the easiest way. While it can be debated that using their own resources against them (like say giving the humans weapons and training them or better yet developing a virus that kills Wraith when they feed upon infected ones) and they may already be working on something, but in the interim, cutting off their source of food may be the quickest and most practical way of dealing with the Wraith.

Sick and disturbing as it may be, it is logical, practical, and is tactically good common sense. The replicators have shown this plus a good dose of dislike for humans in general (be it deserved or not).

I always liked Carter, and as was said before, her "hands off" until necessary approach to leadership would take time to get use to.

I think Keller's question to Carter: "Are we bringing him back to cure him or to study him?" is one of the biggest in medical research today. The continual debate between morality and ethics vs our need to understand so that we can heal each other better.

It will be very interesting to see where they go from here.

[Falcon Horus]

How would you rate this episode?
C

If SGA does get dark based on the prophecy, would you like that direction?
Dark is good ... though it seems I have a different interpretation of dark than TPTB

How did you watch this episode?
Through illegal means

Favorite Guest Character?
Other - the Wraith

If you had the opportunity to see your own future would you want to?
No

8 eps are done for Season 4. What do you think so far?
Not bad but could be better ... a lot better

*************************

Let's get on with my personal thoughts:

* I went in to this episode with a little bit of information. I knew it was about a man who could see visions of the future and share them with others. I know this was the episode that would reveal Teyla's pregnancy, and that there was something with the Wraith.
With the info I knew, I was expecting something quite different than what was happening on screen.

The episode fell flat, flatter than a flat-screen TV (or my laptop screen for that matter).

* Ronon said at the end of Lifeline that whoever was going to replace Weir, had to fill big shoes. I'm afraid to say I find that Carter's feet are way too small to fit those shoes. She just doesn't have it. I really don't see why Weir had to go... Really, I don't see the need for her replacement.

* also the lack of chemistry is starting to annoy me more and more. You know the trio Rodney-Elizabeth-John... their chemistry jumped off the screen, their banter was fine-tuned, practically capable of ending each other's thoughts in a way.
The trio Rodney-Sam-John just doesn't have that chemistry. Flat like the episode.

Trio 1 -> ____________________ (smooth)
Trio 2 -> _______--------______ (interrupted, like the wire is broken)

* Oh, what's her name again... *clicks fingers McKay-style* She's about 5"5'-something, blond-brownish shoulderlength hair. I think she's from the Pegasus Galaxy, no I'm sure she's from the PG. Remember her? What's her name again? T-something...

Oh yeah ... TEYLA!!

Girl got her token episode and now she's back to being background singer. Missing ends with this big scene... Keller telling Teyla they should have a little chat cause there's something she wants to talk about. Sounded and looked all very serious. So, you expect it to continue on in this episode, get to see this serious conversation maybe. Nope, nothing. It's not even mentioned until Davos mentions her condition on that balcony. *headdesk* I thought she was going to have an arc... Must be like Ford's arc then, or Weir's.

* It was nice to see the Wraith again. He looked a little pale though. I wonder when his last meal had been. He was also a bit too human in behavior, must have spend quite a while in that prison with the Genii to assimilate their behavior.

Unfortunately his humor fell equally as flat as the episode. I was so annoyed by that time that it just sounded extremely lame. Wraith humor needs a boost.

* McKay was his old self again with a few wonderful typical McKay-moments where he is all full of himself. You just gotta love Rodney.

* The CG-action sequence of Atlantis being destroyed was impressive. The two cruisers blowing each other to smithereens was nicely done too. Nice color-scheme. I was thinking 'Oh, that would make a cool wallpaper'. That is, if I didn't just switch my wallpaper to a new one. Not SGA-related.

All in all, I felt like turning the episode off being approx. halfway through it. Never before did I feel this way, not even with the Irr's in season 3. I was just watching like a mindless drone, nothing of what was on screen forcing any kind of emotion from me, except anger (yelled at Carter to get the frell of Weir's balcony, and that she wasn't the expedition's leader but a mere substitute which will leave when the true leader comes back).

At some point I found myself watching around Carter (not always possible) and I must say that the background sets are nice, and quite likeable to watch. The set-dressers and prop-builders do a good job.

[Miravanguild]

Still do not like Carter... Sorry do not.. I like Sheppard's quiet growth, it is so under the radar.. Notice he never took the Seer's hand? So while we have Rodney, Carter, and Talya all having visions of possible futures for Galatica etc.. Not Sheppard, I also think it is significant that his Waith "friend" has returned.. When Carter was contemplating whether or not to blow the Wraith ships out of space.. John's reply was yes, but... Then she gave the answer and what the Seer had said about a few people making a difference in the future of the whole galaxy, but she is responsible for the safty of the base etc.. He then replied that everyone knows why they are here and volunteered for it, helping her make the decision.. My point about Sheppard's character growth, a couple of weeks ago, he have him letting that ship go in the interest of making allies.. This week someone else that he once made an alliance with showed up.. He is the one though he does have natural doubts, sayd they can trust this Wraith.. I do not think you'd have seen this kind of Sheppard in the past years.. I think he does have a destiny, but what it will be or the fact that he has one at all is being kept very quiet... He is no Starbuck..

[Falcon Horus]

Still do not like Carter... Sorry do not.. I like Sheppard's quiet growth, it is so under the radar.. Notice he never took the Seer's hand? So while we have Rodney, Carter, and Talya all having visions of possible futures for Galatica etc.. Not Sheppard, I also think it is significant that his Waith "friend" has returned.. When Carter was contemplating whether or not to blow the Wraith ships out of space.. John's reply was yes, but... Then she gave the answer and what the Seer had said about a few people making a difference in the future of the whole galaxy, but she is responsible for the safty of the base etc.. He then replied that everyone knows why they are here and volunteered for it, helping her make the decision.. My point about Sheppard's character growth, a couple of weeks ago, he have him letting that ship go in the interest of making allies.. This week someone else that he once made an alliance with showed up.. He is the one though he does have natural doubts, sayd they can trust this Wraith.. I do not think you'd have seen this kind of Sheppard in the past years.. I think he does have a destiny, but what it will be or the fact that he has one at all is being kept very quiet... He is no Starbuck..

Could it be the influence of Weir's personality... I'm just saying. (not in Sparky way btw)

[JolinarCZ]

* I went in to this episode with a little bit of information. I knew it was about a man who could see visions of the future and share them with others. I know this was the episode that would reveal Teyla's pregnancy, and that there was something with the Wraith.
With the info I knew, I was expecting something quite different than what was happening on screen.

I think I feel it in the same way. I've also expected something very different.

* Ronon said at the end of Lifeline that whoever was going to replace Weir, had to fill big shoes. I'm afraid to say I find that Carter's feet are way too small to fit those shoes. She just doesn't have it. I really don't see why Weir had to go... Really, I don't see the need for her replacement.

Yeah. I also don't like her here. And her stupid ponnytail makes me annoyed. I really think, that this too big for Carter. On SG-1 she the icon of woman intelligence and here she appears more like stupid blondie. Oh my... I always jump into Weir X Carter topic... stop meeee!!!

Oh yeah ... TEYLA!!

Girl got her token episode and now she's back to being background singer. Missing ends with this big scene... Keller telling Teyla they should have a little chat cause there's something she wants to talk about. Sounded and looked all very serious. So, you expect it to continue on in this episode, get to see this serious conversation maybe. Nope, nothing. It's not even mentioned until Davos mentions her condition on that balcony. *headdesk* I thought she was going to have an arc... Must be like Ford's arc then, or Weir's.

Hmmm... definitely yes. I expected some dramatic dialog and then some kinda confession or something. She could tell Sam or John or someone... bla bla bla... ANYTHING.... If I didn't know about Rachel's pragnancy and had watched Missing and then The Seer maybe I wouldn't have been able to put 1 and 1 together. But in the end of one ep they HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING VERY GRAVE..... and in the next ep theydon't continue in the conversation. They just MENTION by the way.....

[KJC]

This show was definitely better than missing. I have issues with pre-determined futures. I also have issues with Sam not lecturing the seer on missing the galaxy wide changing effects of the past 11 seasons of Stargate SG-1.



Due to them getting rid of weir, beckett, very few wraith, and not being forced to watch a teyla centric episode (other than that awful missing), I'm actually able to watch these episodes.

[squall28]

I think This Mortal Coil is going to really blow things out of the water. That is the next episode to the continued story arc. Which will air on Dec 7th!

[squall28]

Still do not like Carter... Sorry do not.. I like Sheppard's quiet growth, it is so under the radar.. Notice he never took the Seer's hand? So while we have Rodney, Carter, and Talya all having visions of possible futures for Galatica etc.. Not Sheppard, I also think it is significant that his Waith "friend" has returned.. When Carter was contemplating whether or not to blow the Wraith ships out of space.. John's reply was yes, but... Then she gave the answer and what the Seer had said about a few people making a difference in the future of the whole galaxy, but she is responsible for the safty of the base etc.. He then replied that everyone knows why they are here and volunteered for it, helping her make the decision.. My point about Sheppard's character growth, a couple of weeks ago, he have him letting that ship go in the interest of making allies.. This week someone else that he once made an alliance with showed up.. He is the one though he does have natural doubts, sayd they can trust this Wraith.. I do not think you'd have seen this kind of Sheppard in the past years.. I think he does have a destiny, but what it will be or the fact that he has one at all is being kept very quiet... He is no Starbuck..

I think Sheppard's destiny is to find Weir and to work with the Wraith to save millions of lives being slaughtered by the replicators. Yes, Wraith do take humans but they only take what they need which of course is still a very bad thing. Replicators wipe everyone out.