Battlestar Galactica: You Will Know the Truth Rating Options

[KVJACK]

Okay, one last point. For now! Does anyone remember RDM's last blog post (the one he started during the writer's strike?) He LOVED the end of Sopranos. Which was no ending: live goes on, there are no answers. Nothing is neat and clean. I suspect he plans to give the finest form of applause: he's going to copy it. I don't think there's going to be any cathartic sort of ending.

Lastly, I think that if they pick anyone as the final cylon at this point, it can't help but be disappointing. No matter whom RDM picks, it's going to give the story an ending, and an explanation. And I think they're too wary of black and white answers to do that! Regardless, I think it's Roslin (for now). She's the only one who's been referred to in the historical/religious texts; there aren't any references that relate to anyone else in the show. And if it's true, as I suspect, that the final five are relics from the 13th tribe, she's the only one who makes sense.

[Steelerfan]

The Last Sopranos..........gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Don't get me started after 20 years I cancelled HBO because of that ***** ending

[ZekaPeka]

"the 4 that they revealed at the end of season 3 are what they are but they are one offs they are the original cylons.
Hundreds of thousands of years ago when there were 13 colonies on kobol, 12 went one way and one went another way to find earth.....or create an earth...and that colony was actually cylons were they were individuals, theres no multiple modles.

I have seen/read this idea before...that the 13th colony was populated by Cylons.

But then...what happened there? Why is the 13th colony destroyed? Where they making/cloning a slave race of humans, who in the end rebelled and blow everything to peaces?

[david256100]

I have have had a Vision and I now know the truth.

"Sometimes a Great Notion"

After feeling the love between Cylon and Human for about 7-10 minutes.
A short but intense battle rages with a giant Mutant Ant cross Cow army.
Only the 4 will be left. (tigh,tyrol,tori,anders)
Gaeta takes control of the Galactica destroys the Cylon Base Ship and the fleet.
Then suicides the Galactica into "Earth" screaming "iam gay" before his death.
The 4 search out the distress beacon, they open a door to a bunker.

"Who is the 5th" " Who is the Final Cylon"

The final scene of the episode.

A giant unrecognizable blob sits in front of 20 computer screens.
Tigh "Are you a Skin Job"

We are told the next episode "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" will air Jan 16th 2222.
To keep our interest the producers will release a series of clues and trailers.

"Who is pulling the strings" "Is it really a Cylon" "Where did the Cow come from"

The 1st clue "SIVL3"
"Do you know the truth"

[galacsi]

When I say immortal, I know t's not TRUE immortality... BUT to the average person it could make you feel unstoppable to jump into a new body whenever the last one gives out. EXAMPLE: Let's say someone crashes their car because they were driving drunk and killed someone else in the process. But if they get to jump into new bodies, it may SEEM like no harm, no foul. The drunk driver may feel no guilt for their actions. They can party again tomorrow...and the next day and the next. They can drink themselves to death. Get a new body. Overdose on drugs. Get a new body. Drive recklessly and crash their car into a break wall. Get a new body. Rob a bank and get shot down by police. You get a new body.

So why obey laws if there are no more consequences? If someone insults you, you can just shoot them and vice versa. And you can shoot each other again day after day until you get bored with it. That's what I am getting at. That is the breakdown of a person's humanity and respect for life, even their own. Think about D'Anna's suicides. From the Cylon perspective, existence is perpetual and the flesh is almost unimportant. And it goes back to the first words of the Number Six who appeared at the Armistice Station: "Are you alive? PROVE IT."

That speaks to a loss of humanity over time. A disconnect with what matters as you get dumped into new body after new body after new body. It's rather like cloning. Where do you stop being human and become some distant near emotionless...thing?

Ace Reporter : I fully approve your point and your 1st post was also very great . (Tried to answer it , but my connection crashed two times so an other times may be ! )

Where is the frakking January 2 Clue ?

[TSketch]

Everyone This is for real evidence this time on finding the final cylon.

Okay look according to greek mythology there are seven olympian gods 7 male and 5 female which equals 12 and so there are 7 male cylons and 4 female cylons that we know of which leaves one more which is a female. Now there are 12 colonies and there is the 13 which left away from the group and made their home on earth. Now according to greek mythology there were actually 13 gods by the name of Hestia who left from olympia to let Dionysus join the olympian gods. Do you see now. 13 there have to be 13 cylons.

The Gods
1.zeus
2.hera
3.poseidon
4.demeter
5.Hestia ( she left the gods of Olympia but she is still a god)
6.aphrodite
7.apollo
8.ares ( was left behind and was replaced by Hercales)
9.artemis
10.athena
11.hephaestus( was also left behind)
12.hermes
13. Dionysus ( became part of the twelve gods after hestia left to let him become one.)
14.Heracules( became apart of the 12 gods when he was added after ares and hephaestus was left behind)

Now this leaves Hercales, Dionysus and Hestia as the three gods that are in BSG. Now this is where I need help on. The final Cylons is a female and a male. Because the female she takes after Hestia who is the Goddess of the hearth and home. So which female in BSG can fit her.
Dionysus is the God of wine,ritual madness, and ecstasy but this Tigh.
So this leaves Hercales and Hestia as the only to gods left who are not identified in BSG. So find out who have their attributes and you have your 12 and 13 Cylons.

Just something to think about.

-TSKETCH

[B_4]

I think cavil is afraid of the final five. There is somthing special about them. The raiders know them on sight. The centurions are able to shoot everything in view but not any member of the five.
The five3 a dangerous to the S7. The S7 have to carry transponders to be identified,but the FF dont. If the FF walked into CHQ who would the machines listen too. Cavil may be model#1 but its clear that the FF have more autority.
On the plus side. After the war is over tyrol can go to CHQ and have a new calley buit. Or if he wants four or five callys

[Mrbline]

Re being FRAKKIN DENIED our clue: Do you think RDM et. al. are all going "FRAK!!!!! They figured it out!" or "Why didn't we think of that?"

And another thing. If humanity's religion about the 12 gods is, as it seems, based upon historical figures way back in the day when the 12 colonies split up, maybe before humanity split up they were monoteistic. Which means the 13th tribe would be monotheistic. Ergo, if cylon machines found the final five after the first cylon war, their "model" to replicate humanity would have been monotheistic. This being the time when the cylons came up with their "plan" (to replace humanity with an evolutionary superior model), it would explain at least Six's religious fanaticism.

Think of it this way:

You're a writer/producer for a television show that is about to end. Your show established a pretty good following so the network offers you another show. To keep your audience you keep the same central themes, and to keep interest you tie the two shows together. Why center the new drama around the Adamas, put it in the past, then ignore it in the present series?

This is why it is important to know when RDM came up with the idea for Caprica. The earlier he did it, the more he can set up the past through the current series.

George Lucas began Star Wars at Episode IV. When interviewed shortly after the release of Empire Strikes Back, he said there were nine chapters: 4-6 and 1-3 to be released as movies; 7-9 in book form. The point here is that he had developed more than a single movie by that point. His problem, however, I think was that he only had a general idea, and to keep the story straight, he had to almost forget the creepy ramifications of the love triangle in IV (I always think of the line in "Eurotrip" when I think back on Empire . . . "Dude! You kissed your sister!") But I digress.

Caprica is happening. The pilot is set to air. The series has been ordered. At this stage, it would already have to be written to some degree. Fail to make it mesh with this one, and it will fail.

Don't discount Caprica's influence so easily.

[Noneofyourbusine...]

Okay, one last point. For now! Does anyone remember RDM's last blog post (the one he started during the writer's strike?) He LOVED the end of Sopranos. Which was no ending: live goes on, there are no answers. Nothing is neat and clean. I suspect he plans to give the finest form of applause: he's going to copy it. I don't think there's going to be any cathartic sort of ending.

He's been interviewed on that very recently. He said it worked for Sopranos because it wasn't a story with an ending in mind. His story for Battlestar Galactica has an ending in mind.

[B_4]

This show is losing my interest. The more of the ideas I read on this form the more I believe that RDM is a bad writer.
The pepole on this forum have express better ideas for plot twist than anything in BSG to date. I keep hearing that RDM wrote for startrek.
Did he write the ok tv shows or the really really bad movies. Eitherway It doesnt sound good for him.
This is a remake of a really bad show full of bad actors. Richard hatch dirk bennett. This remake is no better. The people on here should put there ideas
together and write some really good sci-fi. Its got to be better than this *****. Infact after reading the post Im sure it will.

[Mrbline]

I'm not convinced that un-aired events which occur and are documented in a TV series that doesn't exist yet have any bearing on what we should expect to see in the final episodes. I would expect that viewers would tend to become upset if, after everything, they're screwed out of "figuring it out" because they didn't take into account plotlines and backstory of a TV show that doesn't exist yet.

Oooops. I quoted the wrong thing in my last reply. Still trying to figure how to use this stuff. My bad.

[stanislaw]

Hoshi: They're communicating with colonial one sir
Adama: lets here it
Gaeta: What do you want Gaius

Baltar:I want this to stop right now, this is madness, Felix I know you’re a good man you you want to do the right thing,You know exactly what i'm talking about,
Tigh:You're the fifth
Baltar: our little secret, but i forgive you for that day.If you are hungering for redemption this is not the way,
Gaeta: goodbye Gaius.....
Baltar:felix please listen.

This is the transcript of the clue we could hear, I can't seem to find the one we posted, it has mysteriously disappeared

I'm finding it hard to hear "you're the fifth" but interesting if true.

Either way Gaeta seems to be trying to rupture the alliance with some big dramatic action; suicide bombing again?

I think this makes it less likely he is the final cylon (as I'm sort of the assuming the fc is running the show and unlikely to be intervening in this way no matter how crazy things have got).

[BrianTheAutomato...]

This show is losing my interest. The more of the ideas I read on this form the more I believe that RDM is a bad writer.
The pepole on this forum have express better ideas for plot twist than anything in BSG to date. I keep hearing that RDM wrote for startrek.
Did he write the ok tv shows or the really really bad movies. Eitherway It doesnt sound good for him.
This is a remake of a really bad show full of bad actors. Richard hatch dirk bennett. This remake is no better. The people on here should put there ideas
together and write some really good sci-fi. Its got to be better than this *****. Infact after reading the post Im sure it will.

Do you really think that writing a quality television show with the constraints of the actors and the network is that easy?

I'm a software engineering consultant, and I hear things all the time about how simple my job should be. "Just make a web application that does X, Y, and Z... I need it to be cheap, and I need to have it done by Thursday... and it needs to work on all browsers... and it needs to be fast". If it were that easy, they would just be doing it themselves. But they're not, and there's a reason for that.

I really don't like telling people off, but you're not speaking from any experience in the industry, and I think it's pretty insulting. If you were a paid sci-fi TV writer, I would give much more credence to your opinion on this.

[EmperorRyu]

huh?

Sorry, allow me to explain. I'm saying, take 12 characters that are Human and match them with the 12 Gods. Then take the 12 (Actually 11) Cylons, and match them with the 12 Apostles. Do you get that, my fellow fan?

I don't think though that this method will work out, but I do agree with that other fellow fan that it would be sort of fun and interesting to compare and contrast with myth and reality.

[Mark1EyeBall]

Allow me to assist you in you're endeavors youngling. Here is a link to a transcript of Clue #15 by a fellow observant fan, . . . enjoy!

CLUE #15 REVEALED

Hi - thanks for the steer. Not that it solves my suspicion on misdirection but it was good to read the transcription.

Cheers.

[mlorbos]

This show is losing my interest. The more of the ideas I read on this form the more I believe that RDM is a bad writer.
The pepole on this forum have express better ideas for plot twist than anything in BSG to date. I keep hearing that RDM wrote for startrek.
Did he write the ok tv shows or the really really bad movies. Eitherway It doesnt sound good for him.
This is a remake of a really bad show full of bad actors. Richard hatch dirk bennett. This remake is no better. The people on here should put there ideas
together and write some really good sci-fi. Its got to be better than this *****. Infact after reading the post Im sure it will.

So you've decided he's a bad writer before actually seeing 4.5, and having liked the show enough up to that point to sign up to this forum.

[RadioPicon]

I really don't like telling people off, but you're not speaking from any experience in the industry, and I think it's pretty insulting. If you were a paid sci-fi TV writer, I would give much more credence to your opinion on this.

I really like Ron Moore's writing, but since I'm not a "paid sci-fi TV writer" either will you "tell me off" too? I've heard this argument before...you shouldn't criticize unless you're a writer because you don't know what you're talking about. Complements are always accepted, however. We, the average public, are strangely qualified to give positive opinions, but too ignorant to criticize. This is the impression I get from posts like this.

I don't know what the original BSG-hater guy was on about, I guess he just didn't like the show. I think BSG is brilliant and Ron Moore et al are generally very good at what they do. The real test of RDM is going to be how he ties up the series at the end, though.

[Subjekt2323]

Sorry, allow me to explain. I'm saying, take 12 characters that are Human and match them with the 12 Gods. Then take the 12 (Actually 11) Cylons, and match them with the 12 Apostles. Do you get that, my fellow fan?

I don't think though that this method will work out, but I do agree with that other fellow fan that it would be sort of fun and interesting to compare and contrast with myth and reality.

Right, but can you clarify your question and what where you going with it? Why take 12 colonial character and try to match them after the gods?

[EmperorRyu]

I am almost 100% convinced that Gaeta is the final cylon.

The reasons:

1. "Hungry for redemption" - Baltar's words, most probably spoken to Gaeta, are a perfect match of what the First Hybrid (FH) said. I am sure the FH knows exactly who the final five are.
2. "The Face of the Enemy" - they wouldn't dedicate a whole series of webisodes to Gaeta without a good reason, would they
3. "The face of the Enemy" - clearly Gaeta did something on New Caprica and he may feel guilty about it. Guilt leads to hunger for redemption. And the "howl of suffering" - the events aboard the raptor.
4. "And the fifth, still in shadow..." - Gaeta has been in shadow for most of the show so far. He has a very important role in running the ship, yet he doesn't get as much attention as the other main characters (Adama, Roslin, Starbuck, etc.)
5. Relationship with Hoshi - that is a clear hint that Gaeta is "unusual", just "not like everyone else", even "a special case" (no other gay characters in the show so far - Felix is the ONLY one, and that makes him quite unique).
6. Opera house - Gaeta demonstrates some remarkable skills in opera singing. Just a random thought...

Roslin and Starbuck have to be human (or at least half-human) - their whole personalities are based on that. Same for William and Lee Adama.

Whoever the last one is... he or she must have been in the Miniseries.

Anyway, we will find out soon enough...

Your proposal and reasoning is interesting my fellow fan, I won't "totally" rule out that Gaeta is, but I don't feel the character is the Final Cylon. Remember, he is missing a leg now. I don't think in Cylon 3's (D'anna) vision of the Final Five in the Temple of Jupiter and saw one of them using crutches.

Now, I have two characters that are both difficult to either lay claim to or totally dismiss which one to be an acceptable candidate for "The Final Cylon". That is Felix Gaeta and Anastasia Dualla. Though in my opinion on their character development throughout the series, I find that neither one of them could be the Final Cylon because their lack involvement within the story lines. It could be said that Dualla sort of stood out more than Gaeta and could take part in certain important events to come. As for Gaeta appearing in the recently web episodes, . . . I suppose we all can safely presume a few reasons here beginning with the BSG Team wanting to expand the franchise more and get more involved online with series. It's not very surprising these days "prequels" do happen from time to time. Another aspect is, since Gaeta was such an undeveloped character, the BSG Team decided to help the character come out more. From a story perspective, Gaeta could play a role in the events to come by falling back on the events in the web episodes.

As for the reasons, . . . Clue #15's transcript (Here is the link, in case you haven't read it, . . . Clue #15 Revealed.), does indeed point out that Gaeta will most likely be involved in an important event that will challenge the alliance between Cylon and Colonials. You're second one is very debatable. The third one, I refer to the link again. The fourth, he is not the only character in the background. If we're to measure how involved Gaeta is within the boundaries of the story, it could be argued that Seelix is right there stand along side Gaeta in terms of script and appearances. The reason why so many people recognize Gaeta more is because he is right there in the C.I.C. where memorable events happened, and Seelix is a grease monkey turned Viper pilot. You're fifth one, that too is dubious, because there are a wide range of "unusual" behavior in the cast. Know what I mean? You're last one, that's just the morphine kicking into him.

We concluded that none of the Adama family members are Cylons. That issue is soooo dead.

Roslin and Starbuck, they are both "highly" candidates for the position of "The Final Cylon".

That point of view is not in dispute.

You know what, . . . if the web episodes showed a relationship between 2 males, I wonder if the series is going to show 2 females? 2 BSG hotties kissing, . . . SWEET! Question would be, . . . which 2 BSG hotties would do it? (Plays Katie Perry's "I Kissed A Girl".)

[EmperorRyu]

uh...guys?...how is it no one noticed that Roslin is NOT and I repeat NOT in the last supper picture.

DeeAna also had said that shes the final cylon...as a joke...

"clawing to the light" would be Gaius. No one fits that quote better, not only that but, theres an episode where Adama is torturing him and thats exactly what Blatar does.

Not sayin Im sure who it is, but its def between Gaius, Adama and Roslin. (the last name is interesting) Rose line...descendant of god....Adama...=Adam, a man. They are the real deal Hera and Jupiter.

God **** this is all so torturous!!!

Actually, young padawan, it has been greatly noticed throughout the thread, ever since the beginning in fact. You can go back and see for yourself.

Humor is not without it's quarks.

Hmmmm, in two similar visions, he is at first surrounded by Cylon 6s, and is clawed, pushed under water, and then kissed. The second vision, he is surrounded by children, and is pushed under and a child grabs hold of him. Plus, we was given heavy hallucinogens and was tied to bed. Not exact the feeling of clawing in my perspective. More like cornered and couldn't get out, and he was afloat in the middle of the water in the vision. Not exactly reaching for the light because Adama held onto it.

Again, none of the Adama family members are not Cylons, because they are the story tellers in the series, believe it or not.

Oh, your not the only one, believe me. 200+ pages of threads of guessing and still going.