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Why did Cavil Kill Himself?


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#1 Enterpriser0313

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:28 PM

Why?

#2 turtle10

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:33 PM

3rd runner up: Even he didn't really like himself.

2nd runner up: He'd reached his threshold of embarrassment over the whole rushed, forced Opera House scene.

1rst runner up: He didn't like being human; he had no interest at all in being a caveman.

And the winner: He simply miscalculated the gun barrel's direction. (That's what the "Oh, Frak" was as he pulled the trigger.)

#3 Krevanner

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:37 PM

Simple. He knew he was about to die anyway, so he decided to take himself out before one of the humans (who he hated) takes him out.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:38 PM

Cavil finally realized that Brad Pitt was just a figment of his imagination and decided to get rid of him once and for all.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:38 PM

cavil was losing and did not want to have to utter the famous words:

GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME, YOU **** DIRTY APE.

he really hated humans, and there was no way he would let himself be captured.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:39 PM

Exactly. And it was Dean Stockwell's idea. "I think at moment Cavil would realize it was all hopeless and shoot himself."

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:40 PM

Because Head Boomer told him to.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:46 PM

But seriously, did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that, with all the forces at his disposal, Cavil chose to show up in the enemy stronghold with himself and a couple of guys?

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (turtle10 @ Mar 25 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3rd runner up: Even he didn't really like himself.

2nd runner up: He'd reached his threshold of embarrassment over the whole rushed, forced Opera House scene.

1rst runner up: He didn't like being human; he had no interest at all in being a caveman.

And the winner: He simply miscalculated the gun barrel's direction. (That's what the "Oh, Frak" was as he pulled the trigger.)


Turtle10, I loved the winning answer! LMAO!

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (turtle10 @ Mar 25 2009, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But seriously, did anyone else find it completely ridiculous that, with all the forces at his disposal, Cavil chose to show up in the enemy stronghold with himself and a couple of guys?


yes. a good standoff is supposed to be roughly equal sides. more humans should have been killed or at least wounded throughout the final battle, and the galactica should have been smashed up more. in the cic,

if i were cavil, i would have at least shot adama then the prez.

edit--the standoff--the cylons had overwhelming forepower and numbers. for being a suicide mission, the ship and humans got off easy. i was expecting a self destruct of galactica to wipe out the colony and a raptor escape like from the pegasus. oh well.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:58 PM

It was Harry Dean Stantons idea.

listen to RDM's podcast

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 01:59 PM

He, Simon and Doral all downloaded into the Cylon Mainframe. I suppose he offed himself to avoid being captured and forced to submit somehow.

The real question isn't why he killed himself but what does he hope to accomplish by doing so in the future, if they have one.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 02:15 PM

QUOTE (turtle10 @ Mar 25 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...Cavil chose to show up in the enemy stronghold with himself and a couple of guys?


There were more. However, they were killed along the way to the CIC and in the CIC when they got there.


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Posted 25 March 2009 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Enterpriser0313 @ Mar 25 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why?


Dean Stockwell objected. Originally Col. Tigh was supposed to throw Cavil over the balcony but Dean said he didn't want to go out that way. He told them what he thought Cavil would do and they wrote it in.
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Posted 25 March 2009 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Enterpriser0313 @ Mar 25 2009, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why?


Simple - pride. Cavil's sin was one of jealousy. He believed he was better than his siblings and deserved more love than Daniel. Like Cain, Cavil chose to murder his brother because his pride could not come to terms with his jealous desire for his Ellen's love.

So Cavil went out in a way that best personifies pride: he refused to let anyone else have the 'pleasure' of killing him and took the necessary action of suicide, especially before the XO could.

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 03:35 PM

There were more? Yeah.

Absent some explanation, there were a hell of a lot more. And Admiral Suicide Mission didn't have big numbers to begin with. So Cavil simply deployed his forces in a pitifully inadequate fashion so as to arrive at the enemy strong hold with himself, a couple of Dorals, and a Simon, who are all useless. It's called running into a cul de sac simply because the square peg needed to be pounded into a round hole.

Because, according the podcast, the Opera House was significantly revised from its original intent, so it became small and silly. So Baltar could pretend everyone was wowed with his speech when, in fact, the moronically outnumbered Cavil signed off only when Tigh preemptively surrendered, giving him what he wanted.

Sorry if that sounds snarky, but that's where the episode started looking like the rest of Season 4.5 to me. Nice strangling of Torry, though.




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