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#1 BryanReesman

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:11 PM

"Itís not about anything except going through this dance of how they tech their way out of it. It became so frustrating and so annoying, I just swore I was never going to write those scenes anymore."

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (BryanReesman @ Oct 9 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Itís not about anything except going through this dance of how they tech their way out of it. It became so frustrating and so annoying, I just swore I was never going to write those scenes anymore."

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Funny, I think the lack of technology led to the disaster he called an ending...
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Those are the best designs the Cylons came up with???? Even after all that spying??? Really???

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (BryanReesman @ Oct 9 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Itís not about anything except going through this dance of how they tech their way out of it. It became so frustrating and so annoying, I just swore I was never going to write those scenes anymore."

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I'm a long time fan of Star Trek The Next Generation but I won't lie, "Star Tech" always had a habit of ticking me off with it's miracle working technology. Though I sometimes wish I had a computer console in my kitchen that could make great meals materialize instantly.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 01:10 PM

A couple of other well respected scifi-themed shows that didn't dwell on their tech were "Space: Above and Beyond" and "Firefly", the latter having somewhat of a "Western" feel to it, complete with whores, saloons and even horses every now and then.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 07:17 PM

QUOTE (Otto106 @ Oct 9 2009, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny, I think the lack of technology led to the disaster he called an ending...

Hey, Ron destroyed the Enterprise-D, and he'll destroy you, too, if you're not careful. Cut the feldercarb.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (ShiningPathofLight @ Oct 9 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A couple of other well respected scifi-themed shows that didn't dwell on their tech were "Space: Above and Beyond" and "Firefly", the latter having somewhat of a "Western" feel to it, complete with whores, saloons and even horses every now and then.

Strangely, Firefly seemed to be something of a throwback to the original Trek. A lot of episodes of both series didn't involve highly-technical miraculous solutions to problems. Both often just resorted to throwing down, firefights, and having brawls. Space cowboys, in short.
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 08:38 PM

Yes. God and the "will-o-wisp" pretending to be Starbuck were so much more satisfying on a dramatic level. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (SunshineAlien @ Oct 10 2009, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. God and the "will-o-wisp" pretending to be Starbuck were so much more satisfying on a dramatic level. rolleyes.gif



Yeap instead of tech he decided to use magic.

So the question is now which is better Tech or Magic?
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Posted 10 October 2009 - 09:53 PM

Maybe Ron compromised. He didn't really know how to replace the tech explanation, so he went for magic, but stayed true to his principles by providing no pretense of explanation. wink.gif

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Posted 10 October 2009 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (turtle10 @ Oct 10 2009, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe Ron compromised. He didn't really know how to replace the tech explanation, so he went for magic, but stayed true to his principles by providing no pretense of explanation. wink.gif

It's really an agnostic's explanation. Except that we're rather certain there's a superior being somewhere pulling strings, whether it's a highly advanced humn and/or machine, a supernatural deity, or both. But most people to whom I speak don't really understand agnosticism.
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QUOTE (BryanReesman @ Oct 9 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Itís not about anything except going through this dance of how they tech their way out of it. It became so frustrating and so annoying, I just swore I was never going to write those scenes anymore."

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The "gripping, thought-provoking, blah, blah..." gritty & realistic shows you prefer and speak of is nothing more than a TREND. ....a trend that was carved out by HILL STREET BLUES, then NYPD and a multitude of shows, most of them police dramas almost THREE DECADES ago. All Moore did was imprint a popular trend of making tv shows onto a REMAKE of a space FANTASY tv show, he didn't even write in the first place. (Lord knows, Moore isn't known for actually creating anything or being a visionary... quite the opposite, actually). When the next trend of making tv shows comes along, and it may be more light-hearted and/or fantasy-based, that will be the next trend for the next 2-3 decades. ATTENTION: Viewers are fans of the realistic & gritty styles and the light-hearted and fantasy stuff, regardless of what era it is. It just depends on what's the popular at the time.

It also depends on the person and what they deal with via their envireonment and job, on a day-to-day basis. I can honestly understand why an inner city police officer, a military combat veteran whom was involved in fierce violence, or an emergency room doctor would NOT want to come home after work and pop on a realistic and gritty tv show as entertainment. Many people of those walks of life, seek total escapism and fun in their tv shows, to take their minds off their stressful world, if even for a few hours a day.

Btw, ALIEN/ALIENS, OUTLAND, BLADE RUNNER and SPACE, ABOVE & BEYOND imprinted gritty & realism onto the world of science fiction/space fantasy THREE DECADES before Moore thought himself the visionary for doing so and did it with original source material and 10x the success. Moore is a pompous, windbag, Johnny-come-lately, that has yet to prove himself as anything close to a visionary. GINO bombed for a reason: ...being unoriginal and littered with bad writing, especially the last half of the show's tenure. It's already fading into irrellevency.

ATTENTION: Larson never bragged he was producing some realistic & gritty science fiction show. The original and the only BSG, as created by Glen A Larson, was written and produced as space FANTASY, so making fun of TOS for being cheesy only makes you look like a clueless critic of the genre. Moore was the one bragging he was going to raise the genre above the cheesiness of godlike beings (fail), etc, etc.


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Moore failed miserably in staying true to the mantra of his own show, with the season finale's Deus Ex Machina ending, being the biggest hunk of cheese and laugh of them all. It was the only way to wrap all the ***** he was making up, as he was writing the show, with no real clue of where he was going with it all. [...and they have a plan]. laugh.gif God or something with god-like powers can do anything, so that gives ya a get outta jail free card for actually coming up with an intelligent, realistic way of tying up all the loose ends. ...very cheesy for a gritty & realistic show, though. ...not to mention other huge hunks of cheese, throughout this supposedly realistic tv show:

* Apollo, the fleets best fighter pilot, abandoning the fleet to pursue a savvy career in politics, as they're being hunted into extinction by a race of killer robots and cyborgs. Yeah... gritty & realistic. Forced, out of place drama is CHEESY!!!

*Rosalyn's cancer being cured by the Cylon/human hybrid, magic baby juice! That was a personal favorite of mine. Very gritty! Very realistic!! CHEESY!!

*The opera house vision. CHEESY!


"Why does it look like the set of THE PRICE IS RIGHT on a Cylon discostar? Is there a new car back there?""


"Is it true that Quantum Leap guy is trying to move in on my gig?? We'll finish this later! I gotta go take of something..."


*Say what ya want about disco in TOS, but why do the interiors of Cylon Basestars in GINO look like Mexican techno nightclubs? I guess even in 2008/9 all it takes is a bunch of colorful blinking lights and some Christmas tinsel in the background to convey high tech. *snicker* [It looks like the Cylons stopped by TOS's infamous casino planet and caught one of the local stores on a closeout sale, right after Christmas was over].

*I love how Cylons took over New Crapica, so they can sit around sipping lattes, while Centuriuns, that were built for armed land combat are doing landscaping work?? LOL Are you kidding me??? We have designed & manufactured machines specifically for agriculture, yet Cylons are incapable of doing so, themselves and have to use battle bots to plant trees? Cheesy, cheesy, cheesy!

*The whole Cylon detector business... What's that about silica rays, again? Boomer's silica rays in her arm connected with the ship's computer yet no one can detect those in a Cylon's arm???

*Apparently, there aren't any security cameras on this high tech battlestar in Resurrection Sh* t parts I & II, as a Cylon was able to kill She-Cain and get off without a hitch. That's very WILD WILD WEST! LOL

*Lest us not forget the very necessary boxing episode! That wasn't cheesy at all. It made total sense to jam a whole episode about boxing in the middle of a show, portraying a the last of humanity fleeing from a race of murderous robots. ...yeah... um.. m'kay. ....so, glad Moore & the writers were working on that plan the whole time. rolleyes.gif

*The fleet electing Baltar president, after he was under strong suspicion for giving Six the codes that nuked most of their species almost into oblivion.

*The leader of the Cylons being a blonde, tall, sexy f ukbot, who wears a red dress and uses seduction. ...BEYOND CHEESY!! ...calling all preteen boys!!

* I also love how every planet and city looked like New Vancouver. When STAR TREK TOS did that, it was the 1960s. What is Moore's excuse for his cheesiness 40 years, later? ...bet ya won't crack on BSG TOS's recycled Viper/Cylon dogfight shots, anymore, huh?

*The wardrobe worn by a supposedly alien, humanoid race that looks like something pulled off the rack at JC Penny. Isn't it interesting they wear the same exact style clothes as we do and listen to 20th century pop culture music? CHEESY!

*Who woulda thunk that by simply turning your tank top backwards, it becomes official Viper Colonial pilot wear? CHEESY!



"Katie, while you've been working on your makeshift, NASA approved hull patch, I've constructed a makeshift air-to-air missile and a plethora of bullets out of the native minerals, algae rations, a lighter, the overstock of unsold GINO season four dvds, and your athletic bra, just in case we encounter any unfriendly Raiders along the way. We make a great team, StarDOE! (...even though I will have a little show called SG-1 that will outlast and outperform yours. ...maybe because it was a lot more faithful to the original source material than yours will be. I hope that doesn't ruffle your feathers. If so... DEAL WITH IT, BABY! Now run your fingers through my feathered, highlighted hair, lay some suger on me and make me look all macho! It's the 80s, honey cheeks!" cool.gif

*StarDOE automatically knows how to fly a Cylon cyborg Raider. VERY CHEESY! Remember, no one's ever seen or hijacked a Cylon Viper before, and the things is half mechanical and half organic/biological/flesh. Maybe, the pilot forgetfully left his FLYING CYLON VIPERS FOR DUMMIES manual on the glove box department by mistake. *groan* rolleyes.gif ...THEN she stuffs a flight jacket into the hole in the hole, which holds up, as she ascends into space, through the stratosphere!! HAHAHAHAHA!! ULTRA CHEESE!!

*The daytime soap opera love triangles on the show. ..not only CHEESY but GRATING! What is this? LIFETIME CHANNEL? ...well Bonnie Hammer used to be an exec there, so.... Moore also wrote for that after school special called ROSWELL, too, huh?

*The whole crew acts like a bunch of teenage, MELROSE place, petty, irrational idiots. There are a hand full of people like that in the military but most of them get rooted out and expunged. Can you image an aircraft carrier, in WWII run by these morons? We would have lost the war. VERY CHEESY! For crying out loud, ADAMA, the captain of the ship, abandons his fleet to go chasing after a girl! BEYOND CHEESY and very UNREALISTIC.

*Abandoning and destroying their technology in the finale, when settling down on a foreign planet, filled with hostile animals and harsh living conditions, even though that technology was their best chance of surviving. Technology didn't do them in. It was the bad decisions they made that did. That was dumbest and CHEESIEST things ever seen in any science fiction/space fantasy tv show, EVER! It had the reactionary logic of a 11 year old, behind the reason for ditching their technology. STUPID and CHEESY!

*...also, I thought it funny that on New Caprica, after a full year, they were still living in tents and had not erected any solid structures. I also thought it was pretty dumb and cheesy to let your military space ships go to such a state of unpreparedness, after only A YEAR, of settling down. In the DeSanto story that Moore stole that idea from, it was original a decade or so, before that had gotten sloppy.

*Cheesy is running out of food, etc, yet the crew is smoking and drinking non-stop throughout the show. Where are all these cigarettes and bottle of alcohol coming from?

*Cheesy is blowing yourself up to kill robots, via terrorism, especially, since the Colonials are already so few in number and need a certain number of heads in order to procreate and survive as a species. Moore unnaturally changed the logic of the story, in order to push through his own political message on Iraq and present day terrorism. Real genius is doing so, without totally disjointing the overall story arc of the show. FAIL.

*The Cylons' spines glow in the dark, when they do the dirty. CHEESY, CHEESY, CHEESY! [I bet the 13-year boys really got a bon er, during that scene! ...real sophisticated, deep, intellectual stuff, there]! tongue.gif



* (My personal fav) The Cylons have to be IN LOVE in order to procreate. HAHAHAHAHAHA!! FIFTH ELEMENT called! They want their plot twist back! laugh.gif That's so realistic & gritty! If I had known that, I would've just ditched the comdoms, with a few of those girls I bonked when I was younger. I wasn't IN LOVE with them, so I without a condom I was safe from gettin' 'em pregnant. laugh.gif I was even embarrassed for Moore when I saw that!! ...so gritty! ...so realistic!



...and last but definitely not least.. [drum roll, please]? rolleyes.gif The back from the dead StarDOE walks off into the sunset [and thought I even saw a rainbow in the background, also] and then goes *POOF* MY LITTLE PONY-STYLE after achieving the task that God or an advanced race WITH GOD-LIKE POWERS has sent her back to complete. WOW oh wow!!!



The list goes on and on... I have a lot more, actually, but you get the point. GINO is one of the worst written shows ever within the genre, which is why it lost at least 69%of its already small viewing audience. That was was very evident after Moore & Eick ran out of Larson and DeSanto BSG source material to plunder. Before you go making a list of unrealtistic, cheesy things within the TOS tv show, and they are several, I would like to reiterate:

Larson never bragged he was producing some realistic & gritty science fiction show. The original and the only BSG, as created by Glen A Larson was written and produced as space FANTASY, so making fun of TOS for being cheesy only makes you look like a clueless critic of the genre. You can rip on STAR WARS for being unrealistic, also, but people don't watch STAR WARS for that aspect of the genre, it being space FANTASY. BSG TOS was produced in the same spirit of STAR WAS, as the latter set the town for the genre for many decades to come. Moore was the one bragging he was going to raise the genre above the cheesiness of godlike beings (fail), etc, etc. (Btw, it doesn't matter if IT was God or a very advanced being with God-like powers. MOORE STATED THAT HE WOULD NOT INVOKE CHARACTERS WITH GOD-LIKE POWERS). It's after the year 2000. What was Moore's excuse for all the cheese oozing out of GINO, despite bragging it was supposed to be so realistic & gritty?
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 09:12 AM

Man, gingo, you really can't come up with anything new..and you have too much time on your hands. Why are you so in love with Ron Moore and the new BSG?

You spend so much time complaining about it, I wonder if you are really a fan underneath it?
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 10:24 AM

This guy/girl and his/her redundant ramblings have made for some of the best entertainment I have ever had the privilege of being exposed to. You always see RDMBSG bashing on the TOS boards non stop. How often do you see a relentless onslaught of TOS bashing posts on the RDMBSG boards? I guess it just goes to show you that some people love the genre and some people USE the genre as a crutch. Keep in mind:

I love TOS.

I know that not all TOSers are trolls.

But sometimes one bad apple can spoil the tree.

And if it's a debate you want then there is only one thing I need to know:


Apollo


Tom Zarek

What's this? An actor from TOS taking part in the evil, offensive and inadequate reimagined version of BSG?

Sci fi fans are supposed to be some of the most open minded people on the planet. Why do trolls even exist? The world may never know.

Calm down GINO. Be open to opinions other than your own. Be friendly with people, whether they be TOS or TNS fans. Stop the senseless and unprovoked battering. Can't we all just get along?

OH BOY..

By posting this, I've made matters worse haven't I?

Oh well..Worth a shot? I'd like to think so.
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:57 AM

Hi, Gino. That was a monster post! I'd like to reply as follows to some of the points you made:

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It also depends on the person and what they deal with via their envireonment and job, on a day-to-day basis. I can honestly understand why an inner city police officer, a military combat veteran whom was involved in fierce violence, or an emergency room doctor would NOT want to come home after work and pop on a realistic and gritty tv show as entertainment. Many people of those walks of life, seek total escapism and fun in their tv shows, to take their minds off their stressful world, if even for a few hours a day.

Nothing wrong with a bit of good old escapism.

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Moore is a pompous, windbag, Johnny-come-lately, that has yet to prove himself as anything close to a visionary.

It's factually incorrect to call Ron Moore a Johnny-come-lately, at least with regard to genre TV writing. I don't think that he ever claimed to be a visionary, either.

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The original and the only BSG

Also factually incorrect, as is the term "GINO" if it stands for "Galactica In Name Only".

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Moore failed miserably in staying true to the mantra of his own show, with the season finale's Deus Ex Machina ending, being the biggest hunk of cheese and laugh of them all. It was the only way to wrap all the ***** he was making up, as he was writing the show, with no real clue of where he was going with it all. [...and they have a plan]. laugh.gif God or something with god-like powers can do anything, so that gives ya a get outta jail free card for actually coming up with an intelligent, realistic way of tying up all the loose ends.

There are plenty of posters in this thread who appreciate Ron Moore's incarnation of BSG but would agree with you wholeheartedly. I myself am no fan of the God Did It thing as employed towards the end of the show. IMO it operates pretty much as you described above.

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*Rosalyn's cancer being cured by the Cylon/human hybrid, magic baby juice! That was a personal favorite of mine. Very gritty! Very realistic!! CHEESY!!

The fact that it was never re-used beggars belief. Credit should go to Mary McDonnell for persuading Ron Moore to have the cancer return.

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"Why does it look like the set of THE PRICE IS RIGHT on a Cylon discostar? Is there a new car back there?""

"Cylon discostar". smile.gif You're not wrong, but disco music isn't as annoying as the basestar piano music. (Sorry, Bear McCreary fans, but it wasn't his best moment).

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The whole Cylon detector business... What's that about silica rays, again? Boomer's silica rays in her arm connected with the ship's computer yet no one can detect those in a Cylon's arm???

Just be thankful that no-one told them about the glowy spine thing. Also, not to be pedantic, but that was Athena and not Boomer. Athena's the one who marries Helo and ends the show as a serial killer. (There, I said it!)

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*The fleet electing Baltar president, after he was under strong suspicion for giving Six the codes that nuked most of their species almost into oblivion.

Not that much of a stretch, really. The original accusation was probably not made public, unless I'm forgetting. Also, Baltar is a genius, a ladies' man and perceived as having helped save the fleet several times. The real stretch was that people voted for him based on the election platform of settlement on New Caprica.

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*The leader of the Cylons being a blonde, tall, sexy f ukbot, who wears a red dress and uses seduction. ...BEYOND CHEESY!! ...calling all preteen boys!!

She's not the leader. If they have a de facto leader it would appear to be Dean Stockwell's character.

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* I also love how every planet and city looked like New Vancouver. When STAR TREK TOS did that, it was the 1960s. What is Moore's excuse for his cheesiness 40 years, later? ...bet ya won't crack on BSG TOS's recycled Viper/Cylon dogfight shots, anymore, huh?

I wouldn't put money on that. As regards Planet Vancouver, it's a phenomenon that has been around since the start of SG1 or before it. Kudos to the BSG effects team for doing their best to make each planet look different, though. (Eg a bright nuked-out look for Caprica, lush greens for Kobol etc). This is the kind of scenario where "It's only a TV show" is a perfectly acceptable defence, IMO.

To be continued, as I've exceeded the maximum number if quotes to include.
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 11:59 AM

(continued).

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*The wardrobe worn by a supposedly alien, humanoid race that looks like something pulled off the rack at JC Penny. Isn't it interesting they wear the same exact style clothes as we do and listen to 20th century pop culture music? CHEESY!

So what would they wear? Personally, I agree with the choice. Capes would be nice, but would be a total juxtaposition of styles. Just having them wear suits, ties, etc was a savvy and common-sense move.

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*The whole crew acts like a bunch of teenage, MELROSE place, petty, irrational idiots.

Actually, that's one of the most concise (pertinent) criticisms of their collective psyche that I've read. biggrin.gif

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Abandoning and destroying their technology in the finale, when settling down on a foreign planet, filled with hostile animals and harsh living conditions, even though that technology was their best chance of surviving. Technology didn't do them in. It was the bad decisions they made that did. That was dumbest and CHEESIEST things ever seen in any science fiction/space fantasy tv show, EVER! It had the reactionary logic of a 11 year old, behind the reason for ditching their technology. STUPID and CHEESY!

True, and again you've summarised the views of many on this forum. It was Apollo's idea, anyway. Maybe he was just fed up with them all.

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Cheesy is running out of food, etc, yet the crew is smoking and drinking non-stop throughout the show. Where are all these cigarettes and bottle of alcohol coming from?

I guess that they have their priorities right. "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die". smile.gif

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Cheesy is blowing yourself up to kill robots

The Free Online Dictionary defines "cheesy" as "Of poor quality; shoddy". The Urban Dictionary says
"This is an important word and nobody has it right yet. What it means is: Trying too hard, unsubtle, and inauthentic." and alternatively defines it as "sentimental, maudlin, melodramatic, corny". The latter definition is pretty close to how I would interpret the word. I don't think that noughties BSG approaches any of those descriptions very often.

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(My personal fav) The Cylons have to be IN LOVE in order to procreate.

Well, some cylons seems to think that they do, which raises the question of whether they're artificially stupid instead of artificially intelligent. tongue.gif In any case, I think that the phrase was "the love of the one true God", which could be interpreted as simply meaning that any pregnancy had to have divine approval.

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had known that, I would've just ditched the comdoms, with a few of those girls I bonked when I was younger.

Your profile says that you're female. You might wanna change that. I even referred to you as "madam" once!

QUOTE (ginogoneforever @ Oct 11 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I even saw a rainbow in the background, also] and then goes *POOF* MY LITTLE PONY-STYLE

A recent post on the Miscellaneous Fleet Chatter thread has it (jokingly) that she fell down a rabbit hole. It's not the worst explanation! cool.gif

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GINO is one of the worst written shows ever

While I respect your view, I don't share it. Granted, the plotting was dubious at some points, more noticeably towards the end, but there's a lot to be said for dialogue, characterisation (as written) and certain story arcs. For many, BSG was two to three years of magnificence followed by a substantially flawed final act. Overall, and by no means papering over its flaws and/or disappointments, I'd put in my top ten fiction TV shows of the last decade.
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Posted 11 October 2009 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Scrawny71 @ Oct 11 2009, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(While I respect your view, I don't share it. Granted, the plotting was dubious at some points, more noticeably towards the end, but there's a lot to be said for dialogue, characterisation (as written) and certain story arcs. For many, BSG was two to three years of magnificence followed by a substantially flawed final act. Overall, and by no means papering over its flaws and/or disappointments, I'd put in my top ten fiction TV shows of the last decade.


That's a fair assessment.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 02:55 PM

Star Trek's problem is that it would resolve plots by pulling a technical solution out of thin air. Sometimes that technology was so powerful, that in later episodes they had to forget about it, because it could become a deus ex machina. I thought Replicators were fine for making food, but they could be real plot killers, they gave them too easy a solution to everything.

It tended to close the doors on future possibilities, because it was too easy to lean on technology. Here's the thing: just because you live in a world of extremely advanced technology doesn't mean the solution has to be a high-tech solution. Low-tech solutions work. I've love to see an engineer on Trek solve the problem with duct tape and wire. The tech itself isn't what is interesting, what is interesting is people working to solve the problem.

Replicators are fine for making food. Food doesn't have to be exact, one hamburger is pretty much like the next off the same grill, but each will be different. But using replicators to manufacture objects, then it has to be exact or it won't work. If we had replicators that could make objects perfectly, then why would anyone make anything. Everyone would be out of work, but I guess that would be OK, because everyone would have a replicator.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 03:05 PM

Something that always bothered me about Trek had to do with the Borg. Every time the Borg boarded a ship, of the Starfleet folks would board a Borg vessel, all phasers had to be set to "rotating frequencies." And then each phaser was ood for about 2 or 3 shots until the Borg adpated.

But the Borg can't protect themselves against projectile weapons. So why didn't Starfleet outfit each vessel with a reserve supply of bullet-firing rifles? So that when they had to fight the Borg, the Starfleet folks could just kill them?

I always thought that was a situation in which a low-tech solution would have worked where a high-tech solution failed.

And yes, I suppose you can say a bullet can puncture a hole in the hull, but so can a maximum-strength phaser blast.
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE (QuantumIguana @ Oct 12 2009, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've love to see an engineer on Trek solve the problem with duct tape and wire.

I could imagine Scotty doing something like that in the next movie. smile.gif

QUOTE (GoramFrakkingNerfHerder @ Oct 12 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But the Borg can't protect themselves against projectile weapons. So why didn't Starfleet outfit each vessel with a reserve supply of bullet-firing rifles? So that when they had to fight the Borg, the Starfleet folks could just kill them?

Excellent point. Ray guns are cooler, though, and projectile weapons might have added an unnecessary element of verisimilitude. Guns without a "stun" setting just wouldn't be very Star Trek.
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