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#1 polywog868

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

I am in the us and was wondering when and if there will be a season 6?

#2 MikeAP001

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 07:50 PM

As far as I can tell, the ultimate decision for a season 6 rests with the BBC and the ratings for Season 5. Around November 20-30, 2011 Katie McGrath, Bradley James and Angel Coulby have said that Season 5 is their last as far as they know and have been prepared that Season 5 for them is it since it was supposed to last for only 5 season. But, Colin Morgan said he'd do Merlin for as long as people are willing to make it. Sometime around November 23, 2011, Johnny Capps and Julian Murphy hinted that they'd be willing to do Merlin for as long as people wanted to see it and it stayed "fun" for them to do. You can read about it here: http://cultfix.co.uk...sible-15091.htm

Since then, Katie McGrath's people at least aren't so definite about Season 5 being her last on Merlin. So, it's unclear if the actors aren't willing to do any more Merlins and lose job security because there won't be anymore Merlins or if the producers want to end Merlin at 5 Seasons and lose a profitable source of income or if the BBC will end things at 5 Seasons because the producers have wanted to spin-off movies and Seasons instead but with different actors. No one's telling but it's a good bet that if there's no word from the Comic Cons in the US or UK by the end of Summer 2012 about a Season 6 then there likely won't be one.

If there is a Season 6, it will probably air sometime in Autumn 2013 in the UK and end sometime in December 2013 and air sometime between January-March 2014 in the US. Now, it's been rumored that the reason Merlin's development as a character was delayed compared to Arthur's because the Powers that Be (TPTB) were expecting a Season 6 AND Movie AND Animated Series and wanted to delay the BIG REVEAL until the end of Season 6. So, they were going to devote Season 5 to Merlin's development as a warlock where he'd encounter new monsters
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But the BIG REVEAL to Arthur would be delayed until the series came to an end and some fans weren't keen on that idea when the TPTB supposedly asked fans what they wanted to see in future Merlins (Nope, these guys weren't Capps/Murphy but Freemantle) . And, they had to ditch some ideas for technical reasons: namely, Angel Coulby's the only one who can carry a tune so no Musical Episodes in the foreseeable future.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 10:09 PM

UK stories are written to have an ending, so it depends if the writers are willing to mess up their plan to extend the story. Sometimes that can make the last year a drag, when everything that should have happened in season 5 gets stalled and delayed to create more eps for season 6. When the end of series comes tho, everything pulls together and the eps are fantastic.

Smallville, for example loved to draw things out to make more eps, but their best years were when the writers were told to wrap up the storylines and they finally did something about all their piled up issues and gave us fun conclusions. In US media, the resulting spike in ratings meant they got more seasons granted and the writers would go back to stalling, and the ratings would drop, until another planned 'last year' got them going again, till finally, the tenth year, the show was put out of it's spiraling misery.

In the UK, the delay has to come before they write it all out and film it, bcs when they plan a last year and film it, it really is a last year. And their stories are so much the better for it. Respect the ending of a good drama.

It's so much better than just waiting till a show fails completely and flops like a dying fish before someone cuts the head off, mid story if need be.

Edited by Mreen, 07 April 2012 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:34 AM

It's so much better than just waiting till a show fails completely and flops like a dying fish before someone cuts the head off, mid story if need be.


You can get around that though if you have Season goals instead of just an overall end of production goal. That's what they've been doing so far as they didn't know if they were going to have another season or not before they finished writing the scripts for the current season. Trust me, I hate the soap opery drags that can happen when things are artificially delayed beyond they're shelf life - and I think that's one of the reasons Camelot failed. If they keep with their idea that each episode is a mini movie, but with an overarching story arc that they originally had no intention of getting to the end of anyway (a.k.a. Mordred mortally wounding Arthur), it give them a lot of room to play in with the legends that other series simply cannot draw from to keep things fresh. Smallville, which this show get's compared to for obvious reasons is not a good comparison in this case as Superman was a comic, and those story lines are Notoriously dragged out. The idea is to keep ending things on a cliff hanger so the kids will buy the next issue that will tweak out another small tidbit of the story line.

The Arthurian legends are a series of campfire stories. They had a beginning, a middle, and an end, all happening in the course of one night, but in the context of a much bigger story that they were all apart of. There are themes that carry over from one story to the next, eventual goals that will one day be met, but in the meantime, we deal with what's confronting us today. If they can hit with that same mix that they did in Season 4, there's no reason they couldn't keep the show going without hitting the dreaded plot drag, even after a reveal.

The key is they still have to enjoy doing what they're doing. As long as the production team and the actors keep bringing in that same level of enthusiasm into doing the show, it will be a good show and they will find ways to make it a good show. It's when shows become a chore to produce that they start loosing their shimmer.




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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

1) Smallville really can't be compared to the Superman comic books. They were different universes, different storylines, and the story structure was in no way related. The ratings happened when they finally started writing the planned endings, as I mentioned above, nothing do with comic book storylines. (in fact they had their own comic book spinoff, with it's separate storylines reflecting the TV, not the other way around)

Merlin is UK tv, which is a government project funded by taxpayers. This means that it is actually normal for them to plan out the ending for a show, and get budgeted accordingly to how it fits in their audience and what the expectations are over the amount of years agreed to. While it's hard to say they were guaranteed each season, they were the closest thing to it, it was always a question of how many eps and what budget were they getting. A few times government cutbacks might threaten to shorten the number of eps, but after some juggling, it got it back.

If they were suddenly to develop US entertainment disease and start wringing things out for ratings rather than going for their planned TV... well, let's just British TV drama wouldn't be considered as good as it is, and their funders, the tax players, would complain. They look at TV a bit differently - it's their money, and they want it done right.

UK TV survives by having over all goals and giving rich conclusions. Not that they aren't above spin offs and later series with the same cast, to get ratings, but they don't like to cheapen the overall story by continuously putting off the series goal. And its why their TV is often so much better than ours <g> Personally, I'd be disappointed if the show continues too many more years. It's gotten really good, I'd love it see it peak and finish, with a flourish and a bow, rather than a slow and embarrassing backing down the corridor to the exit.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 02:51 PM

It's so much better than just waiting till a show fails completely and flops like a dying fish before someone cuts the head off, mid story if need be.


I actually think that the writers should take a lesson from Supernatural. They had a "book" it was vague but the creator had a general idea of where things would go based upon a 5-year plan that roughly corresponded to the 5-stages of the Hero Archetype. That's basically how the Hero Archetype is supposed to work even though modern Heroes often fail to achieve the final stages.

Merlin Book 1a (Season 01-03) would be about Arthur being in a position to rule. Merlin Book 1b (S04-05) would be about the formation of a united kingdom. So, Merlin Book 1would be (S01-05) and end at S05, there wouldn't be any lingering issues about the need for the formation of a united kingdom and unified land because all of the kingdoms would find such a thing of value to assure their survival. But, that would just be the start. There are other things that could be explored in Book 2 such as bringing about the cycle of life of the united kingdom by securing it, defending it, and nurturing it. And, the central themes are neatly outlined in the Hero Archetype under a one- three- or five- stage plan. Once that first book is done, then a new book begins but it ties itself into the first book by building upon that--- not re-booting itself.

Supernatural seems to be doing just that. After Eric Kripke finished his 5-stage arc, a new book started (unfortunately, it seems that every book so far has been shortened from a 5 year arc to a 1 year arc.) The story lines are still fresh but familiar at the same time while the "big story" hasn't been stretched out beyond reason. The result is that Supernatural hasn't been forcing newer and newer and seemingly less plausible story lines down the throat of the viewer and the show's not tired yet at 7 seasons. In other words, Supernatural seems to be avoiding the flopping fish problem of Smallville or the X-files (after year 7, they just weren't the same) but we'll know better next year.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

A Merlin spinoff, exploring the kingdom would be a good way to handle that.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

I can understand the reasoning in finishing a series off on a high note. i was just curious because of the way the last episode ended with Morgana being brought back to life by the white dragon. To me that says another season. Plus what was the reason/goal of the white dragon overall. But I can see everyone's point too.

I wish too that we didn't have to wait so long to see the episodes here in the us, like what a year after it is aired in UK.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

There is another season - she was brought back to life at the end of season 4. There really would be no season 5 without her, and they wanted 5 years. This thread is speculating about after the planned unaired eps, should they tack on another season.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:21 AM

That other "Book" idea is what I'm thinking about, yeah. I don't think they would have to have it be a spin off series unless they couldn't get all the actors to sign back in. They have a momentum with this title or "Brand Name" as they say in the corporate world and changing the name for a spin off series would confuse things in that arena. However, if the cast did have to change because some of the mains didn't want to re-sign, then that would be a reason to change the "Brand Name".

I'm guessing they originally signed everyone to commit to a five year contract, subject to the show getting picked up during those five years. Depending on whether or not they had an option past those five years would determine if they need to renegotiate those contracts.



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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

Keep in mind these are government contracts. A spin off would be a lot cheaper on the taxpayers who fund the shows too (at least they certainly are for producers in the US!) and if they want to have a budget for location filming and horses, that would be the wiser path.

For instance - Life on Mars (UK) was brilliant show that demanded a swift conclusion to keep up the pace. It was tremendously popular so how did they handle it? They let it go for two seasons and gave us an amazing ending -, then created a spin off Ashes to Ashes, which let them explore what exactly the coma world was made of that made it so confusing for Sam, with a completely new lead character. They got a few years out of that, and a great ending.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

That other "Book" idea is what I'm thinking about, yeah. I don't think they would have to have it be a spin off series unless they couldn't get all the actors to sign back in. They have a momentum with this title or "Brand Name" as they say in the corporate world and changing the name for a spin off series would confuse things in that arena. However, if the cast did have to change because some of the mains didn't want to re-sign, then that would be a reason to change the "Brand Name".

I'm guessing they originally signed everyone to commit to a five year contract, subject to the show getting picked up during those five years. Depending on whether or not they had an option past those five years would determine if they need to renegotiate those contracts.



If they did do it as a "BOOK" 2 it would be pretty easy to do. TPTB could begin with a 3 Stage Book 2 each with a major theme. And, those would be 1) Keeping the United Kingdom of Albion and 2) Securing it for Arthur's Rule which would involve Revealing the Secrets of Camelot (these would involve Gwen's enchanted bracelet for one, Morgana's missing years--- what happened to make her like that, Merlin's secrets--- the extent of Merlin's--- magic, and Arthur's birth), Revealing the Secrets of the other kingdoms (Alator makes it out that he's been hunted in every corner of the 5 kingdoms so the other rulers might not like magic people either), and Revealing the Secrets of those with Magic (like the Sidhe, the Druids, the Old Religion, the New Religion). This would involve Quests with and without Arthur and maybe even Merlin. But, it could be arranged in a 3 Stage Hero's Journey as outlined with each Year a Central Theme toward those Goals.

I found this on the Internet a while back and those elements could be used as the major theme for each of the Series of Episodes.

Year 1 Departure
1. The Call to Adventure
The call to adventure is the point in a person's life when they are first given notice that everything is going to change, whether they know it or not.
2. Refusal of the Call
Often when the call is given, the future hero refuses to heed it. This may be from a sense of duty or obligation, fear, insecurity, a sense of inadequacy, or any of a range of reasons that work to hold the person in his or her current circumstances.
3. Supernatural Aid
Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his or her guide and magical helper appears, or becomes known.
4. The Crossing of the First Threshold
This is the point where the person actually crosses into the field of adventure, leaving the known limits of his or her world and venturing into an unknown and dangerous realm where the rules and limits are not known.
5. The Belly of the Whale or the Dark Cavern
The belly of the whale represents the final separation from the hero's known world and self. It is sometimes described as the person's lowest point, but it is actually the point when the person is between or transitioning between worlds and selves. The separation has been made, or is being made, or being fully recognized between the old world and old self and the potential for a new world/self. The experiences that will shape the new world and self will begin shortly, or may be beginning with this experience which is often symbolized by something dark, unknown and frightening. By entering this stage, the person shows their willingness to undergo a metamorphosis, to die to him or herself.

Year 2 Initiation
1. The Road of Trials
The road of trials is a series of tests, tasks, or ordeals that the person must undergo to begin the transformation. Often the person fails one or more of these tests, which often occur in threes.
2. The Meeting with the Goddess
The meeting with the goddess represents the point in the adventure when the person experiences a love that has the power and significance of the all-powerful, all encompassing, unconditional love that a fortunate infant may experience with his or her mother. It is also known as the "hieros gamos", or sacred marriage, the union of opposites, and may take place entirely within the person. In other words, the person begins to see him or herself in a non-dualistic way. This is a very important step in the process and is often represented by the person finding the other person that he or she loves most completely. Although Campbell symbolizes this step as a meeting with a goddess, unconditional love and /or self unification does not have to be represented by a woman.
3. Woman as the Temptress
At one level, this step is about those temptations that may lead the hero to abandon or stray from his or her quest, which as with the Meeting with the Goddess does not necessarily have to be represented by a woman. For Campbell, however, this step is about the revulsion that the usually male hero may feel about his own fleshy/earthy nature, and the subsequent attachment or projection of that revulsion to women. Woman is a metaphor for the physical or material temptations of life, since the hero-knight was often tempted by lust from his spiritual journey.
4. Atonement with the Father
In this step the person must confront and be initiated by whatever holds the ultimate power in his or her life. In many myths and stories this is the father, or a father figure who has life and death power. This is the center point of the journey. All the previous steps have been moving in to this place, all that follow will move out from it. Although this step is most frequently symbolized by an encounter with a male entity, it does not have to be a male; just someone or thing with incredible power. For the transformation to take place, the person as he or she has been must be "killed" so that the new self can come into being. Sometime this killing is literal, and the earthly journey for that character is either over or moves into a different realm.
5. Apotheosis
To apotheosize is to deify. When someone dies a physical death, or dies to the self to live in spirit, he or she moves beyond the pairs of opposites to a state of divine knowledge, love, compassion and bliss. This is a god-like state; the person is in heaven and beyond all strife. A more mundane way of looking at this step is that it is a period of rest, peace and fulfillment before the hero begins the return.
6. The Ultimate Boon
The ultimate boon is the achievement of the goal of the quest. It is what the person went on the journey to get. All the previous steps serve to prepare and purify the person for this step, since in many myths the boon is something transcendent like the elixir of life itself, or a plant that supplies immortality, or the holy grail.

Year 3 Return
1. Refusal of the Return
So why, when all has been achieved, the ambrosia has been drunk, and we have conversed with the gods, why come back to normal life with all its cares and woes?
2. The Magic Flight
Sometimes the hero must escape with the boon, if it is something that the gods have been jealously guarding. It can be just as adventurous and dangerous returning from the journey as it was to go on it.
3. Rescue from Without
Just as the hero may need guides and assistants to set out on the quest, often times he or she must have powerful guides and rescuers to bring them back to everyday life, especially if the person has been wounded or weakened by the experience. Or perhaps the person doesn't realize that it is time to return, that they can return, or that others need their boon.
4. The Crossing of the Return Threshold
The trick in returning is to retain the wisdom gained on the quest, to integrate that wisdom into a human life, and then maybe figure out how to share the wisdom with the rest of the world. This is usually extremely difficult.
5. Master of the Two Worlds
In myth, this step is usually represented by a transcendental hero like Jesus or Buddha. For a human hero, it may mean achieving a balance between the material and spiritual. The person has become comfortable and competent in both the inner and outer worlds.
6. Freedom to Live
Mastery leads to freedom from the fear of death, which in turn is the freedom to live. This is sometimes referred to as living in the moment, neither anticipating the future nor regretting the past.

And, this could very easily transition into a 5 Year plan by shifting slightly the goal by introducing the concept of a False Boon. In other words, after once the goals of Book 2a were achieved, it wasn't enough to secure the security of Albion because there were other things that needed to be done. If you're into feminist interpretations of the Hero(ine)'s Journey then, this fits in nicely by having the Hero(ine) grow spiritually, emotionally, and physically so that the goal of the Hero isn't just fame after death but obtaining meaning throughout life. The people associated with this are Joseph Campbell and Maureen Murdock.

Here's one way to outline things after S03 of Book 2:

These stages could fit nicely in either a single episode of Merlin or multiple episodes with one or two stages being a central theme. In other words, directly or indirectly, there would be a Merlin Quest. In which either literally or figuratively, Merlin completes the various stages. An outline for one quest (The Stages are Campbell’s while Mudock’s Stages are denoted by M):

Year 4: The Innermost Cave: Finding the True Boon

1. Merlin faces a great trial facing the Goddess.
2. In this confrontation, Merlin harness both the positive and negative aspects of the Goddess and triumphs thereby changing physically, emotionally, or spiritually as he accepts and integrates the old wisdom.
3. Merlin might meet the “Grandmother” or "Grandfather" a guide, a benign understanding woman or man who had been maiden, mother, or crone; or knight, father, or old man who can heal the final split with the Mother Goddess and Merlin.
4. This is the encounter and acceptance of ancestral feminine wisdom re: the Old Religion.
(M4: REALIZING THE FALSE BOON and GAINING THE TRUE BOON; M8: HEALING THE MOTHER/DAUGHTER SPLIT.)

Year 5: Return and Reintegration with Society:

1. Merlin uses this new wisdom to help restore the land of Albion.
2. He returns to Camelot to discover a different Arthur who embraces him as his equal in making decisions.
3. While he has been discovering the masculine aspects and integrating these into himself, Arthur has become more tolerant, nurturing, and sensitive (the positive female values of the Old Religion) while still being at the core, Arthur, who encourages him to keep and nurture his masculine traits
4. A stronger bond forms between them: (M9: HEALING THE WOUNDED MASCULINE)
5. Reaffirming their Friendship: (M9: FINDING THE HEART OF THE INNER MAN).
6. By gaining this success Merlin achieves a synthesis of the Old and New which are stronger than either alone as a being beyond duality - a singular being who embraces all within a circle of understanding.
7. Arthur becomes more nurturing and tolerant while Merlin becomes more confident and powerful. (M10: INTEGRATION OF MASCULINE & FEMININE). And securing the safety of the united kingdom of Albion (the True Boon).

Simple, right?




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