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#41 RHWolfe

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Posted 31 May 2005 - 11:54 PM

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What were your thoughts on Tarn Vedra. Did you want to have something like they did in s5, was it supposed to be completely cut off from slipstream, or only the main ones and not cut off from the unused sliproutes like they thought in It Makes a Lovely Light?




If I understand you correctly, B. Tarn Vedra (and many other Vedran worlds) were isolated from the Slipstream, though it might've been possible to reach them if you had a good map and were really freaking crazy.


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What are your thoughts on some of the major things that happend to to the crew, like Beka becoming the Matriarch, Rev's transformation, and the Nebula, and did were you planning on any of those things happening in your version?




Can't comment on any of them because the last episode I watched was "Dance of the Mayflies."

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 12:01 AM

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So I guess my question is, was he (Tyr) going to turn out to be a really bad guy like he did in the version we got, and was he planning on kinda screwing everyone over since day one, or how was it gonna play out with him? Thankyou in advance.





Both and neither. Tyr was indeed planning on screwing everyone over from day one, but that's because he's a Nietzschean. They spend their whole lives trying to figure out how to screw over the entire universe for their benefit.

Of course, he also would've been perfectly happy to have not had to screw everyone over, so long as he thrived.

So plan A was: Thrive without screwing over my friends. Screw over my enemies (DK Pride for example).

Plan B was: Thrive even if I have to screw over my friends. Screw over my enemies.

Plan C was: If I can't thrive, screw over my enemies really, really bad and go out in a blaze of glory so the breeding value of my relatives will increase.

Of course, being Tyr, he didn't limit himself to plan A, B, and/or C. He also have Av1, Av2, Av3, Bv1, Bv2, etc, etc.

But one thing Tyr would probably never have done in my version of Andromeda was turn into a willing puppet of the Abyss. Or of anyone else for that matter. Letting people pull your strings decreases your chances of pulling off any variation of plan A, B, or C.

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 12:38 AM

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Purple Trance similarly vanished as her sun would've had no need for her, having replaced her with Gold Trance and absorbed Gold Trance's future perspective.


I guess I had better break out DVD's and take another look at Ouroboros. Apparently I completely missunderstood the conversation between the two Trances. Thanks for clarifying it.

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 11:00 AM

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so she vanished in a puff of logic.




Here's a question...did you intend for me to get a Hitchhikers' flashback with that comment?

Ouroboros is on Sci-Fi right now, at least where I am...so I'm going to be watching it closer, with your Coda in mind.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 07:56 PM

Dear Robert,

You are a genius, saint, hero & wonderful inspiration!

Thanks for the great stories you've shared with us in the past, and for sharing "Coda" with us now.

Is there any chance that a copy of the "Andromeda Bible" might be available...oh, say, on your website one day?

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 03:36 AM

I haven't been posting for a long time...really long. But I just picked up Andromeda again and finished watching the 5th season. I have to say that I was continue being dissatisfied with what they had done with Andromeda by the last few episodes. Although the finale was a great improvement over what they had done earlier, personally, but still I like many others think that if you stayed on the team, it would have been much better. I had just finished reading Coda and I was impressed and inspired by the story. Just a moment ago, I finished watching 522 and in that brainstorming afterthoughts and I replied on the Andromeda official site of my impression on 522. I had in mind of the Engine of Creations and how the ending left out many things if not so many that are unanswered. And in Coda, you had all those that I had thought that been lacking definite answers to. You are a great writer and thinker, Mr. Robert. I admire your talent of bringing interesting and creative writings to tv shows and others, not just Andromeda. Some questions that I have:

Is Coda your representation of the ending to Andromeda? That this is the finale maybe? I probably missed the interpretation since it's quite late at night the time now that I am writing this so my mind is kinda messed up.

Also, I really want to know where would you lead Andromeda to? Like how you want the characters to do things and how it would end. Like a general guildline of what would happen in your version of the show after your departure of the production.

Brain is really not functioning well at the moment so I guess I will post more later with a better "trance".

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 10:43 AM

Dear RHW, I really enjoyed reading CODA and would have much preferred your version over the broadcast one.
A few questions:
Tyr and Rev Bem both left the series. Was this because they were "written out" or for other reasons?
Have any of the cast read and commented on CODA? If so can you tell us what they thought (names not needed)?
Do you think the whole "Seefra" plot line was the writers idea or dictated by budget constraints?

Again, thanks for all your time and effort that you gave to Andromeda.

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 12:15 PM

Sorry but, I did not care much for it... (Waits for the rotten fruit to hit her) of course you have to understand where I’m coming from… being a ministers wife it was kind of an odd storyline I kind of got that dread felling when something dose not seem right for me to be reading, doing, watching... (Convictions what our church calls it) - I really do not care much when science FICTION/FANTACY is contradicting Religion its ok when its something completely different in another universe, time, dimension. It needs to be separated for me, putting it right in your face like that just dose not do it for me. For me its kind of hard to separate in ones mind... Andromeda and other shows I like have crossed similar lines before but in a way it I was able to look at as just fiction… Of course it’s just the way I see it...No disrespect intended… But, I really appreciated the sharing of the storyline... Thanks for the opportunity.

I have to also admit that after the initial explanation (Trance being one of the Lucifers…)I did only skim over it and probably did not get the whole storyline like it was intended...

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 02:10 PM

Link isn't working.

Anywhere else I can read it?
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 06:18 PM

after reading the andromeda: coda i must say that things made a lot more sense that season 4 and 5. first with the trance being a devil; that was great and it shed a lot of light on the episode " pitless as the sun " because now i understand more about her and who her people were intended to be. the second thing that jumped out to me was the fact that this was to be a show about the entire crew not just dylan. i mean during season 4 and 5 it became annoying that everything was always centered around dylan. like trance said this was a story of a group of people who on their own were destined to do great things but only together can they do the impossable. i can go on but in the end, this coda by itself is ten times better that seasons 4 and 5 combined. ****, what could have been.-( please excuse any miss spellings i may have ).

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Posted 06 June 2005 - 07:45 PM

Ok...now its working...off to read...
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Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:58 PM

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Sorry but, I did not care much for it... (Waits for the rotten fruit to hit her) of course you have to understand where I’m coming from… being a ministers wife it was kind of an odd storyline I kind of got that dread felling when something dose not seem right for me to be reading, doing, watching... (Convictions what our church calls it) - I really do not care much when science FICTION/FANTACY is contradicting Religion its ok when its something completely different in another universe, time, dimension. It needs to be separated for me, putting it right in your face like that just dose not do it for me. For me its kind of hard to separate in ones mind... Andromeda and other shows I like have crossed similar lines before but in a way it I was able to look at as just fiction… Of course it’s just the way I see it...No disrespect intended… But, I really appreciated the sharing of the storyline... Thanks for the opportunity.

I have to also admit that after the initial explanation (Trance being one of the Lucifers…)I did only skim over it and probably did not get the whole storyline like it was intended...




No rotten fruit, Banshee, you're entitled to your opinion.

But.

I have to recommend that you read the accompanying Coda Q&A thread on Exisle. Robert elaborates and explains a lot.

Admittedly, it's a large and sometimes astonishingly off-topic thread, so here's the part relevant to your post, distilled and put into my own words:

Trance-and-her-kin as "Lucifers" and the Abyss as "Love" are not terms meant to be taken literally. They're just words. Trance is trying to use human words to describe a very alien concept to Harper.

"Lucifer" is used for its literal Latin meaning, "Light-bringer". Trance and her people aren't devils. Not in the way we think of devils.

And when the Abyss is said to be "Love", it's a bit tongue-in-cheek. The Abyss is definitely not Love in the way we usually think of Love. Robert had a most enlightening way of putting it:

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We sometimes call Love "gravity".




(Robert, if I misquoted you, forgive me, it's very late and I'm doing this from memory.)

In other words, the Coda doesn't contradict religion. It doesn't even, really, address religion. It's just that the terms Trance chose to use bring up religious connotations.

Does this help? If not, go read the Q&A thread on ExIsle, other people explain it better.
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Posted 10 June 2005 - 03:05 PM

I read the RHW ending story...WOW! Every character seems to have been a major player in the cycle of the universe. But what about Harper and his love sick ways? Would he still be trying to 'score' after he was mostly machine? That seems to be such a huge part of his personality.

I don't see how anyone can compare that to B5. It makes B5 look like a box of crackers compared to a house!

I was wondering about the 'creative differences', was it Majel Rodenberry, Kevin Sorbo and all the other PTB against RHW? Also, what was the original version of Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda? (Directed to RHW) did you follow his vision? and what exactly was there to follow? I think it's amazing 2 of his shows (besides the Star Treks that had run after he died) made it to syndication after he was gone. Talk about immortality, sheesh...It kind of seems after you left the show it took a more episodal arc rather then a big story arc. I'm assuming they were trying to get better ratings. Also, I'd like to say, you had some REALLY GREAT stories when you were involved with DS9 as well. (I've been catching the re-runs lately) I didn't even realize you were involved in that show until I started watching it again!

One other thing, you're ending to Andromeda ROCKS! It seems the ending that DID happen left enough holes in the story for maybe a few feature films or something, at least a continuation. The story of Andromeda seems very unfinished. Anyways, thanks for posting here Mr. Wolfe! You're an awsome science fiction producer/writer and am humbled by your presence...
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Posted 14 June 2005 - 09:40 PM

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What about Harper and his love sick ways? Would he still be trying to 'score' after he was mostly machine?




No. He'd stop trying because he'd finally succeed.

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I was wondering about the 'creative differences', was it Majel Rodenberry, Kevin Sorbo and all the other PTB against RHW?




Not really. As far as I know of what was happening behind the scenes, the decision to go another direction was not unanimous. Majel liked and appreciated what I was doing, I think. I've heard from one or two other producers that they were opposed to my removal. The only entity I know for certain wanted me gone was Tribune, since they were the only ones in the meeting when I was let go. As is normal in this case, there wasn't a lot of explaining beyond "creative differences" and "going another direction.' This is completely standard in the TV business and is often part of being a showrunner.

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Also, what was the original version of Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda? (Directed to RHW) did you follow his vision? and what exactly was there to follow?




Honestly, Gene never fully articulated ANDROMEDA in a single, coherent form. There was no bible, no script, nothing like that. What I did was take several elements from a few different Roddenberry projects and combined them. A sentient spaceship, the character of Dylan Hunt, the basic idea of the Nietzscheans, and most especially Dylan's through-line of spending 300 years in suspended animation then waking and trying to restore civilization.

Everything after that was basically me. Though I did try very hard to make sure ANDROMEDA was always in keeping with Gene's humanistic and basically positive philosophy. I'll let the viewers decide whether I managed that or not.

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 01:03 PM

Robert, thanks for sharing your vision.

I've enjoyed Andromeda since Season 1, as it is in the vein of the very best classic Space Opera. I do have a couple of questions about your vision, though.

One of the compelling features of the show was Dylan's alleigience to a dead Commonwealth, and to Vedrans as a race in particular. I never liked the whole Paradine plot-line -- it didn't make sense -- but I also would have liked to have seen a decent explanation for why the Vedrans buggered off in the first place, what they have been doing, and their eventual re-integration into the galaxy.

What I foresaw was the Vedrans making contact (or Dylan forcing contact) and having him learn that they had discovered the coming cosmic battle centuries ago, and had formulated a strategy of "hide, prepare, and strike when appropriate". The Empress in Exile on a Slipstream-hidden colony world (or even Tarn Vedra itself, getting rid of that horrible Seefra plotline) would personally explain that the Vedrans weren't planning a strike against the Abyss until after it had chewed up the Anastazi-led Neitzeian Empire. She finds Dylan's attempt to re-found the Commonwealth as amusing and nostalgiac, but ultimately irrelevant to the fight. Dylan pleads his case and they get into a long philosophical arguement over the duty of the Empress to the Commonwealth -- Dylan demands that the Vedrans who founded it return to take responsibility for what they did. The Empress tells him that the struggle against the World Ship is more important, and the focus of their efforts. She takes him to a shipyard and shows him the Vedran Armada, two hundred years worth of feverish construction to build ships at the cutting edge of Vedran technology. Any one of them would make the Andromeda look like the Maru. But she wont use them to stop the Magog onlaught, or the Neitziean threat, because it isn't time yet. They are still building Vedran superweapons. Dylan bows and retreats in a hail of scornful sarcasm, questioning his commitment to the High Guard when the Vedrans themselves won't defend those ideals. He returns to Terrazed and prepares to meet the Neitzcheans by gathering up what forces he can that remain loyal to the Restored Commonwealth.

In a climactic battle scene, Andromeda leads a strikeforce on the Netzchean command ship, something like the Superstardestroyer on steroids. The attack fails and Dylan is captured along with Beka and Harper and brought before Tyr. Tyr gloats, introduces his son, and asks Dylan to bow before him like any other Kluge before he incorporates Terrazed and the other RC worlds into his Empire. Before Dylan can make this crucial decision, word comes that the Worldship has come within range of the Neitzchean worlds, and that several of them are under attack by swarmships. While gloating and dominating the Restored Commonwealth is fun, Tyr knows he must take his forces back to face the greater threat. Dylan makes a counter-proposal: join forces in a temporary truce. While the RC forces are weaker, they are still significant, and Dylan thinks he can get the Than and others to join in. He doesn't mention the Vedrans. After some impassioned pleas from Beka and some rude remarks from Harper, Tyr agrees, and tells Dylan to gather his forces at a rendezvous point in three days.

Telemachus agrees to shift forces, leaving only a token behind, and Dylan sends out emisarries to the various powergroups around the galaxies. For three days he negotiates, cajoles, threatens, bluffs, and even hires mercenaries. At the appropriate time the RC forces plus allies meet up with the remnants of Tyrs forces, and they turn to face the Magog Worldship in one great climactic battle.

Greatest Space Battle of All Time.

A hundred ingenious plans are tried to defeat the Magog by stealth and guile. None work effectively. For every swarmship that is knocked out, two more take its place. It look slike the Magog are going to eak it out on attrition alone. Then the Vedrans show up with their armada, led by the Empress, and the battle begins anew.

In the thick of it, suddenly Rev Bem shows up with a strange device. He asks Dylan for help making it through the enemy lines and landing on the Worldship itself. He won't explain why. Dylan gives him the benefit of the doubt, and sends Beka, Harper, Rommie and Trance in the Maru to escort the Rev. After battling and sneaking their way to a central point, Rev Bem confronts the Abyss directly and tries to convert him to the Way. When all seems lost, Rev triggers the device, which uses the power of the Abyss, itself, to release the same kind of radiation that transformed himself. The resulting wave alters the DNA of the Magog to transform them into members of their host species, and breaking the hold the Abyss has over them. Maddened, the Abyss takes to battle himself, laying waste to the Vedran fleet. He is only stopped when Trance, encouraged by Rev, confronts the Abyss with the power of all of her people, and merges with him to force the conflict into a perpetual equilibrium. Trance is gone (sniff).

In the aftermath, Tyr tries to manuever the Empire into a dominant position. The Vedran Empress is not impressed, as are the Than. None of the survivors has a clear advantage, and it looks like they will start shooting at each other in the ruins. The struggle is broken only when Tyr's son, the titular Emperor, overrides his father by declaring the Neitzcheans will not follow the COmmonwealth -- unless his father's old friends, Dylan, is in charge of it. The Empress reluctantly agrees, as do the surviving Triumviers of the RC, the Than, etc. Dylan becomes a unifying point, and government of the Commonwealth is placed in him. He makes Beka in charge of commerical spaceflight and makes Harper the Commonwealth Viceroy of Earth. Andromeda becomes his flagship and roving capital. The Vedrans re-open the routes to Tarn Vedra, and the long task of restoring order to the Galaxies begins.

Fin.


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Posted 22 August 2005 - 12:20 AM

Hey all!

Running a little behind the curve, just heard about Coda this weekend. Unfortunately, the link seems to be dead and I can't find a copy of it anywhere. Can anyone help out?

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 12:27 AM

Welcome to the board phoenix77. No problem just send me a pm with your email address and I will send you a copy of it to you.

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 12:33 AM

I see Xeromem beat me to the punch. Oh well.

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 10:34 AM

First off, I'd like to say, Mr. Wolfe, that Andromeda wasn't the same after you left.....was never up to par after that. I mean I still watched...but it just wasn't the same quality. Anywho, on to my question...well, it's more of a statement/question really:

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What about Harper and his love sick ways? Would he still be trying to 'score' after he was mostly machine?




No. He'd stop trying because he'd finally succeed.




Really? Wow....you had Harper find success in love....I say big WOO-HOO on that. That would have made this Harper fan REALLY happy! So....how would he have succeeded? Would it have been a "bimbo of the week" as Dylan's flings were named....or would it have been a storyline of sorts?

Once more...awesome Coda....loved that it was between Trance and Harper....because once you left, their friendship was the thing I really missed most....I like that at least in the Coda it was present.




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